Rape Academy Case

[Rafael Thundercat]

We need men who speak and act. 

https://www.instagram.com/p/DXMZeAlDgXL/?igsh=dTNtc2ZzeXMxa3Jp

 

[Rafael Thundercat]

11 hours ago, Lila9 said:

If men held other men more accountable and authorities punished rape more seriously, then I believe it would be quickly reduced.

Great ideia. The issue was brougth up in this post on IG, and of course by a woman. Healed men are the solution for corruption in men. Every time one man make another man accountable the chance to a woman not being harmed increase, because man are actually performing to other man. 

https://www.instagram.com/p/DWwDb_IDpI4/?igsh=MTYwMXZlaXdkY3pmOQ==

She explains this better than me. 

[Lila9]

19 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

Great ideia. The issue was brougth up in this post on IG, and of course by a woman. Healed men are the solution for corruption in men. Every time one man make another man accountable the chance to a woman not being harmed increase, because man are actually performing to other man. 

https://www.instagram.com/p/DWwDb_IDpI4/?igsh=MTYwMXZlaXdkY3pmOQ==

She explains this better than me. 

Thank you, this is exactly how it is.

Men do listen to other men and respect them more than women. We need more men who hold each other accountable.

I appreciate that you get it.

[caspex]

This is horrible. What I don't understand is why every time something like this is brought up it is chalked up to extreme cases and people start bringing their opinions on feminism. There is never even an ounce of empathy shown for these women by such people. I see some users here falling in that trap. 

Also by the way, what CNN uncovered with 'Zzz' is not an extreme case at all just fyi. This shit is rampant. I live in India and am a 21 year old male. I have had classmates and other men approach me saying 'Did you see the new leaked video? You haven't? Well I have it I'll share it with you'. When I ask them where they get such videos they usually point to either other men or telegram channels. When I tell them off they just see me as somebody who is not part of their culture and continue on anyways. 

[Elliott]

6 hours ago, caspex said:

This is horrible. What I don't understand is why every time something like this is brought up it is chalked up to extreme cases and people start bringing their opinions on feminism. There is never even an ounce of empathy shown for these women by such people. I see some users here falling in that trap. 

Also by the way, what CNN uncovered with 'Zzz' is not an extreme case at all just fyi. This shit is rampant. I live in India and am a 21 year old male. I have had classmates and other men approach me saying 'Did you see the new leaked video? You haven't? Well I have it I'll share it with you'. When I ask them where they get such videos they usually point to either other men or telegram channels. When I tell them off they just see me as somebody who is not part of their culture and continue on anyways. 

Because incels hate women, they're jealous. It's the opposite of 'being a man', men are supposed to protect women but the guys on here actually hate them, they've been programmed to.

Edited 8 hours ago by Elliott

[Rafael Thundercat]

6 hours ago, caspex said:

When I ask them where they get such videos they usually point to either other men or telegram channels. When I tell them off they just see me as somebody who is not part of their culture and continue on anyways. 

So  now you know how bad Conformity can be. Apes apeing apes aping apes.

[Rafael Thundercat]

21 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Because incels hate women, they're jealous. It's the opposite of being a man, men are supposed to protect women but the guys on here actually hate them, they've been programmed to.

Stop with this Incels Hate women. Is not a feature of only Incels. This Rape Academy show husbands druging their own wifes in order to rape them. Tell me if this dont qualify as hating women?

[Elliott]

1 hour ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

Stop with this Incels Hate women. 

No

Edited 6 hours ago by Elliott

[trenton]

1 hour ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

Stop with this Incels Hate women. Is not a feature of only Incels. This Rape Academy show husbands druging their own wifes in order to rape them. Tell me if this dont qualify as hating women?

@Rafael Thundercat

 I understand that this behavior is truly outrageous, but I can explain the criminology behind it.

First of all, this profile is likely sadistic. They take sexual pleasure in the suffering of their victims or their inability to consent. This behavior is not necessarily just directed at women without their knowledge, but it is also directed at children and animals. It is the love of power and domination which drives the behavior rather than hatred for a person.

Hatred for women is typically in cases such as grievance offenders. They might be mad at a woman for cheating for example. This offender often operates under the entitlement worldview in which women are held as objects for him to control. Sadistic offenders operate from wanting the joy of causing suffering rather than acting off of hatred for women as in the case of a murder rape.

In the case of drug facilitated sexual assault or DFSA, this profile probably operates under the entitlement worldview as well in which he sees women as less than or as objects. At the same time, this woman didn't really do anything to lead to an actual or even perceived grievance which would constitute hatred. In this case, it seems to be not only an absence of empathy, but also wanting a sense of status from a community of rapists in which this behavior is glorified. Such communities also glorify child sexual abuse and animal sexual abuse. The goal of this profile seems to be using the trophy such as a recording to seek validation from rapists.

The inverse moral hierarchy such groups operate under is that the more outrageous the behavior they can get away with, the more they use it as a mark of status. This in a sense has nothing to do with hatred of women, but rather using them as objects to achieve this goal of power and domination. Anybody could be a target, including other men in cases such as prison rape.

[Rafael Thundercat]

8 minutes ago, trenton said:

In the case of drug facilitated sexual assault or DFSA, this profile probably operates under the entitlement worldview as well in which he sees women as less than or as objects. At the same time, this woman didn't really do anything to lead to an actual or even perceived grievance which would constitute hatred. In this case, it seems to be not only an absence of empathy, but also wanting a sense of status from a community of rapists in which this behavior is glorified. Such communities also glorify child sexual abuse and animal sexual abuse. The goal of this profile seems to be using the trophy such as a recording to seek validation from rapists.

The inverse moral hierarchy such groups operate under is that the more outrageous the behavior they can get away with, the more they use it as a mark of status. This in a sense has nothing to do with hatred of women, but rather using them as objects to achieve this goal of power and domination. Anybody could be a target, including other men in cases such as prison rape.

Are you actually reading the links I am posting. I follow a dozen of very precise activists who have a high level of system analizis. Is imperative to listen their perspectives. What you say is true. Men Perform consciously or unconsciously for other man. There are levels of it from not so sick levles to very sick levels. Imagine a teen who share nudes from a girl he was dating in a group with his friends at school and then the level where a husband share him raping his wife druged. Same behavior different levels. 

Now read this 

https://www.instagram.com/p/DWwDb_IDpI4/?img_index=2&igsh=MTYwMXZlaXdkY3pmOQ==

 

[trenton]

@Rafael Thundercat I read the slide show I found in the link. A lot of it matches what I was thinking. I have a lot of the same information, but I draw a different conclusion from what you did in regard to hatred.

In this post, the author describes a limited circle of concern. The men are not concerned about the woman, but rather what other men think about them. In that sense, they do not act out due to a hatred of women, but rather from a complete disregard or lack of caring or love for women. This actually helps my point of view make even more sense because it explains even more why men view women as objects. They are instruments for male status rather than something hated.

This is an absence of love for women. I do remember feeling love for a women even when others disapproved. My love led to a sense of defiance and protectiveness of her. In that case my circle of concern was prioritized to the woman rather than the audience watching me. There is also a difference in men's attitudes toward women depending on the culture which the author seems to imply based on how men should speak to each other.

I maintain that women are not hated in this context, but rather they are not cared for due to the circle of concern making them a means to an end rather than an end in themselves.

[Rafael Thundercat]

17 hours ago, enchanted said:

And my point is that by numbers alone men have more horrible things happen to them than women

Take a look on this Statistics. Narratives with no Data is killing us. Of course sata can Lie Sometimes but we need  both to deep system understanding 

https://www.instagram.com/p/DXNuROaFJUK/?igsh=MTBybWxjbHc0dHZ6aQ==

Not All men but most of the time a man. The so called Good Man who are silent these days are complict with the situation. We need to understand that we get male harms and also privileges with Patriarchy as the Core Base of Society. We are in this system for long that we cant see how we gain with it and how we also lose with it. 

So education is imperative. And of course there are men outthere who see the system for what it is, but woman are able to give a big part of the perspective since historicaly they needed to watch the system very deep for survival reasons   even the woman who benefited with Patriarchy,Colonialism, White Supremacy needed to understand it in order to alling with it. 

[trenton]

I think it would help the situation of research for prevention were not as guarded. There are programs to help men understand what leads to sexual offenses and how to inhibit these behaviors. However, the restricted nature of this knowledge prevents men from having the knowledge that could be used to accurately self reflect and develop stronger inhibitions against these behaviors.

One of the common problems is the attachment disruption. In this case men are often vulnerable to peer pressure leading to opportunistic offenders. Personally, I have many inhibitions against sexual violence, but my core vulnerability is social isolation and attachment disruption caused by family abuse and childhood sexual abuse.

This can create the OCD profile of heterosexual shame and the fear of becoming a predator. I have so far done the best I could to educate myself and prevent offenses. If other men did this kind of research and self reflection, then it would likely help prevent offenses as is the case for Stop It Now. The stigma around this topic of predatory inclinations prevents people from seeking help. Other cultures have better protections in place to prevent sexual violence.

Currently, I need social connection, but my ability to find these connections has been undermined by my family. Sometimes men in such a position find belonging among anti social actors such as sex traffickers who glorify prostitution and sexual assault. In my case I did not cater to peer pressure, but I also wasn't believed when I tried to report sex trafficking. Initially I objected to the behavior, but later fell silent due to fear of retaliation. By the time I spoke I wasn't believed.

[Rafael Thundercat]

Before anyone come with the argument that there is a " War on Masculitity" happening or that Feminism spread hate for men or any mental gymnastics one may try to justify the unjustifiable. 

There is space for nuance but when lifes are in risk there is a need to naming correctly otherwise we get lost.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVfhLLZDTz7/?igsh=b3J3Ym1iY3Y2cTdv

 

 

[Rafael Thundercat]

Belive or not. There are a Movement amd woman who were raped who are up to a system where the Abuser goes onto a Therapeutic Treatment. 

https://www.instagram.com/p/DXEvE_qDfEB/?img_index=4&igsh=Nnc4dGw1OWEzc2Y4

This Question if Incarceration is really a way to heal society from this men who dont know how to live and respect children and woman. 

I am still following this ideia so I dont know yet if this would be a total solution for all cases since there is possibility of uncurable abusers.

The question is: Does Punishement Prevents Violence?

https://www.instagram.com/p/DW_z0CflkyT/?igsh=MmV0bG9sNjFsZG93

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Rafael Thundercat

[Rafael Thundercat]

What about woman who dont figth back while being raped? 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DW_1VxSDxaE/?igsh=NDExZWdpaXJ5YjJh

Maybe that is among the reasons this men started druging woman on order to rape them. To ne able to do what they wish and not have obstacles for the drive of domination.

 

[Elliott]

4 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

What about woman who dont figth back while being raped? 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DW_1VxSDxaE/?igsh=NDExZWdpaXJ5YjJh

Maybe that is among the reasons this men started druging woman on order to rape them. To ne able to do what they wish and not have obstacles for the drive of domination.

 

Good posts, please keep it up. 

[Apparition of Jack]

How tf do you even respond to such horrible actions?

Its not even like petty theft which can be mitigated by economic improvement, these guys are absolute sadists who do it for the psychological high alone and economics / education etc seems to make little difference. Plus the nature of these crimes make them hard to track by definition. 
 

I’m at a loss here. Just incredibly fucked up.

Edited 3 hours ago by Apparition of Jack

[Rafael Thundercat]

16 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

How tf do you even respond to such horrible actions?

Its not even like petty theft which can be mitigated by economic improvement, these guys are absolute sadists who do it for the psychological high alone and economics / education etc seems to make little difference. Plus the nature of these crimes make them hard to track by definition. 
 

I’m at a loss here. Just incredibly fucked up.

There are online talks about discovering Who are the men involved with this Crimes. I am not specialist in Technology but I question myself if even the Epstein Listed people are not being in jail for what they did. Imagine the ordeal will be to discover and expose and punish people who were sharing this crimes in a Whatsapp Group. It would demand a integrated force of many tech people amd more many other professionals.