What is Pedophilia?

[Cred]

1 hour ago, yetineti said:

The Truth is: your path and the way you view these topics may come from a different direction, but ultimately need to end up in the same place as everyone else.

What do you mean by this? My guess is that you are confused about the fact that I'm talking about ADHD without mentioning attention or hyperactivity. This is very intentional. I think ADHD has nothing to do with hyperactivity and problems to focus. It is not respecting the order from authority to sit still and focus on what authority wants. Terms like "respect", "loyalty" and "authority" make no sense when you have ADHD. I remember when I was a child I constantly asked myself what teachers meant when they said shit like "you are not respecting me".

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How does solving this lead you closer to the Truth or a better life even?

If one understands exactly what causes ADHD, they will be able to emphasize way more with them when they babysit them or meet them in general.

People with ADHD have super high depression rate because people don't understand them and they don't understand exactly what makes them different since the current popular understanding of ADHD is dogshit.

By helping to increase understanding and therefore tolerance, I think my model can help drastically reduce depression and other mental illnesses. I think it is not improbable that I will save someone from committing suicide with my work. 

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[caspex]

2 hours ago, Cred said:

If you alienate pedophiles (okay at this point I might have to clarify that I'm not a pedophile) what happens is

This thread is pure comedy

[Xonas Pitfall]

1 hour ago, caspex said:

If you alienate pedophiles (okay at this point I might have to clarify that I'm not a pedophile) what happens is

This thread is pure comedy

🤣🤣🤣

[Carl-Richard]

1. You're describing having a moral perspective on pedophilia, not merely being sexually attracted to children. It's hard to pin down the data exactly, but the data says probably most pedophilies don't act it out, probably because they know it's not morally or socially acceptable. 

2. You're describing being in a relationship with a child as pedophilia, not merely being attracted to them sexually. This is like saying you're gay if you want to marry men but not sleep with them on a one night stand.

In other words, most pedophiles are not amoral sociopaths, and most pedophiles are probably not in a relationship with a child (i.e. child molesters). 

You had bad luck running into this forum with all the (ex-) Mr. Girl fans. We know pedophilia inside and out 🙂 (but we're not pedophiles 🙂 ... but it's a spectrum anyway 🙂).

You would actually benefit from watching Mr. Girl's discussions with Destiny from back in the day where they discuss psychology, relationships, mental illnesses, etc. I think it would get you to question your DSM-5-heavy framework. Mr. Girl is actually a genius (or that was at least my impression 5 or so years ago, and granted he has a mountainous "self", which is subtle but still massive when you spot it).

Also, a curious clash of worlds: Mr. Girl was one of the most vocal public people around Dr. K's therapeutic misconduct and reported him to the Massachusetts medical board along with a few other people, and eventually, Dr. K got a reprimand on his license.

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[yetineti]

@Cred Thanks for your response. Clarified a lot, really. Can you elaborate on your alienation vs. dissonance model? It made sense to me.

I think you clarified your use case quite clearly. I would like to ask—what are your expectations on this model? You do recognize the difficulty?

I am extremely open minded and rarely shut down ideas as I may have tried to in this thread. That being said, I did not do that because I do not see the potential. I did it because that level of ‘productive extraction’ from criminals, pedos, etc. is extremely controversial and difficult to manage.

What you suggest would be an extremely high level intelligent society I do not see happening anytime soon.

So, I will retract my ‘warning’ from ‘dangerous’ or ‘concerning’ to ‘quite ambitious?’

Too ambitious?

Help me understand. Thanks.

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

In other words, most pedophiles are not amoral sociopaths, and most pedophiles are not in a relationship with a child (i.e. child molesters). 

Bro, how do you know?

I would bet most pedophiles consume child porn.

I ain't gonna believe they are moral enough to never indulge their urges.

That's like me trusting a dude to never look at a pussy.

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[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Bro, how do you know?

I would bet most pedophiles consume child porn.

I ain't gonna believe they are moral enough to never indulge their urges.

That's like me trusting a dude to never look at a pussy.

I might have slightly misremembered the data. There is data that says most convicted child molesters are not pedophiles, they are simply sociopaths on a power trip (which is actually consistent with some of @Cred's reasoning). But are most pedophiles child molesters (convicted or unconvicted)? Maybe harder to pinpoint. But even there, the data seems to indicate that most pedophiles are not child molesters (but again, harder to pinpoint).

I think I remember reading some statistics in a psych book about this but I would have to dig to find it.

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[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

But even there, the data seems to indicate that most pedophiles are not child molesters

Only cause it's not so easy to find a child to fuck.

You gotta be mad horny for a child to risk life in prison.

If sex involved a high chance of prison, I would never have sex.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

I used to manage a print centre 15 years ago. 

We printed photos from memory cards, USB and CD. 

A lot of shit was handed to the po-po. I have seen some evil.

[yetineti]

@Cred I see where you are coming from now.

11 hours ago, Cred said:

What do you mean by this?

I meant: The Truth is the Truth no matter what. It does not matter if you are neurodivergent. You may reach conclusions differently, but you will be arriving at the same conclusions as others have or will.

Neurodivergent people have been overstudied in some regard. 

I do not deny the conditions exist, obviously.

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This is very intentional. I think ADHD has nothing to do with hyperactivity and problems to focus. It is not respecting the order from authority to sit still and focus on what authority wants. Terms like "respect", "loyalty" and "authority" make no sense when you have ADHD. I remember when I was a child I constantly asked myself what teachers meant when they said shit like "you are not respecting me".

ADHD is kind of hard to argue definitionally. It’s a man made term. It is was it says it is. You are noticing a correlation.

High propensity for social inclusion, adaptive thought, bodily energy (not so good in a school where you sit all day) all overlap with food supply and dietary issues, habitual thoughts and reasonings and ultimately a paradoxical loop where each need another to persevere—or not.

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If one understands exactly what causes ADHD, they will be able to emphasize way more with them when they babysit them or meet them in general.

I’ll tell you want causes 80% of OCD, OCPD, ADD, ADHD, Depression, anxiety (assuming control for environment):

• Weak prefrontal cortex. Could be genetic, hormonal, dietary, etc.

• High creativity

• Habitual thoughts or tendencies with an innately high internal friction regarding personal emotional problem solving.

• Environment mismatch (intelligence, beliefs, etc.)

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People with ADHD have super high depression rate because people don't understand them and they don't understand exactly what makes them different since the current popular understanding of ADHD is dogshit.

It is dogshit. And their method will never work. They are all versions of the same thing. They all affect the prefrontal cortex; executive function.

In this regard, there is not as much to change and agency is given back to the people that are labeled. Obviously, they may still be different than most. However, if my options are adderall or .5-1x body weight protein, L-Theanine, Magnesium, Choline, exercise, sleep, minimal environment, etc. I don’t want the drugs—regardless.

Autism is a different thing. But it still affects the Pre-Fron-Cor.

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Raised in an artificial box, conditioning the air we breath for the seats we sit in and the words we hear, listening for 12+ years, absorbing, contemplating other people’s work and stories, for a grade, forgetting we’re monkeys. 

We basically have the same genes as monkeys. Put a monkey in your world and then diagnose it like a human. It does not make sense.

None of this makes sense to me. There’s just thousands of reasons a person may not think ‘normal’ nowadays. 

We’re like fish in water, poisoning ourselves and environment, wondering what’s happening. It was not always like this.

[Cred]

@yetineti I disagree with pretty much everything you said. My claim is that neurodivergency is neither caused by outside influence, nor does it have anything to do with the integrity of the prefrontal cortex. I know this is a radical claim and very essentialist. I am developing a theory about reason, intelligence and mind, that I have not posted about yet, but they are necessary to make my point properly.

However, I've already made some posts that are relevant for this.

 

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[integral]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

If sex involved a high chance of prison, I would never have sex.

Prison would stop very few from having sex lol

Religions figured that out long ago

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Homosexuality is the clearest one. In countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Uganda, and Afghanistan, being gay can get you imprisoned, flogged, or executed. Yet gay people still exist there, still find each other, still have relationships, just in secret and at enormous personal risk. The punishment hasn't eliminated the behavior, it's just driven it underground and created massive suffering.

 

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[glassfire]

My FB after I started reading this topic

[Optimized Life]

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Only cause it's not so easy to find a child to fuck.

This sentence made me sphill my drink and burst out laughing

I am sorry but those 2 words should never coexist in a brief sentence 

 

[Optimized Life]

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

If sex involved a high chance of prison, I would never have sex.

Unless it was sex with a perfect 11/10 who was some kind of divine geenie goodess from the kingdom of atheness with 4D Tits. 

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[Optimized Life]

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But even there, the data seems to indicate that most pedophiles are not child molesters

Yeah leo is right, "most arent molesters" because of the logistics of doing so is so awkward, difficult, illegal and clumsy, combined with the obscene risk 

If there was lower surveillance, police, social media, social outrage/awareness, and lower social safety nets and weaker communities, im sure all th latent molestors would suddenly appear and start running rampant

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[Optimized Life]

15 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

You had bad luck running into this forum with all the (ex-) Mr. Girl fans. We know pedophilia inside and out 🙂 (but we're not pedophiles 🙂 ... but it's a spectrum anyway 🙂).

No its not a spectrum. 

There is a clear line between pre pubescent vs post puberty/fertile woman. 

That isn't to justify fucking a 15 year old because shes post puberty. 

But Pedophile = Exclusive attraction to pre-pubescent woman. 

There is a hard boundary i believe for the clinical disorder (not talking about general sex offences)

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[Carl-Richard]

7 hours ago, yetineti said:

I’ll tell you want causes 80% of OCD, OCPD, ADD, ADHD, Depression, anxiety (assuming control for environment):

• Weak prefrontal cortex. Could be genetic, hormonal, dietary, etc.

• High creativity

• Habitual thoughts or tendencies with an innately high internal friction regarding personal emotional problem solving.

• Environment mismatch (intelligence, beliefs, etc.)

Essentially self-determination theory and its neurological and psychological correlates. As feelings of control decrease, the neurology associated with control also weakens (and systems assessing goal discrepancies, i.e. anxiety, worry, rumination, which positive side is creativity, become hyperactivated).

[yetineti]

@Carl-Richard Yes

[Cred]

17 hours ago, caspex said:

This thread is pure comedy

I am naturally very humorous. I would do more jokes on this forum but I often don't get reactions so I don't know if people think my jokes are funny. Replies like this encourage me to be more humorous