What is Pedophilia?

[Cred]

In this post, I want to argue for the following statement: One only develops pedophilia if they have low sensitivity to meaning (ADHD) and are or were in the “abyss” (state of abandonment).

Why low Sensitivity to Meaning? (Less important)

It is helpful to describe what it means to be sensitive to meaning first. If you are sensitive to meaning, this means that for you, belief is existence. In the eyes of someone who is sensitive to sequentiality (objectivity) and insensitive to meaning, the belief is at best an inductive argument and at worst a random variable and therefore non-existent until measured.

The phrase “fucking children is bad” is not an objective, deductive statement. It is inductive and has a probability value (random variable with probability value) attached. “Fucking children did not lead to desirable outcomes the last 1 million times it was done, and therefore it can be induced that the next time we also lead to undesirable outcomes.”

This is why, if one is sensitive to meaning, one is not capable of questioning these strong societal axioms since for you, they are absolute and their upholding necessary for existence rather than just probable. My model predicts that people who say “the earth is flat”, “the holocaust didn’t happen”, “age is just a number” or “Kim Jong Un is based” have almost certainly ADHD.

So why are most people with ADHD also appalled by pedophilia? Because in order to be a pedophile, you also have to be in the abyss.

Why Abyss?

I’m using the abyss as a metaphor for the state of being abandoned. If you live in a state of abandonment, you're being is fragmented and you live in separation. If you exist in this state too long, you develop a trauma and a deep fear of being abandoned again. This makes you seek unity obsessively, which is clinginess. 

What do you do if you have an existential fear of being abandoned? You will choose your relationships in such a way that there's a power dynamic that is in your favor, so that they can't leave. The reason why a relationship with a child is disgusting to you even if you are undogmatic is because children are not self-differentiated enough to be able to separate from you and build an autonomous independent existence if you cling to them.

For the person who feels abandoned, this is exactly the appeal of a relationship with a child. If you are in a relationship with a child, you can influence them in such a way, that they are forever dependent on you, which is your "solution" to the pain of abandonment if you are a pedophile.

There are of course a plethora of ways to make people dependent on you, so that your fear of abandonment is temporarily relieved. Complete relief can of course never happen that way because there were always be the risk of being abandoned. Also when you are clingy, the odds that you will be abandoned again, are higher, since dating a clingy person is generally unhealthy for that person.

Examples

Here are a couple of examples on how clingy people cope with their fear of abandonment:

• Dating/fucking a child. More general: Abusing any form of power imbalance.
• Stalking.
• Deliberately making someone close to you ill and then pretending that person is dependent on your help. Or making yourself ill and convincing someone they need to help you and are a bad person if they abandon you. (Example: Mother infusing shit into their babies bloodstream. Munchhausen syndrome)
• Starting a business with someone and then trapping them in that business. (Example: Andrew Tate)
• Buying yourself relationships.
• Trying to bring patriarchy back or install a traditional theocracy to increase the amount of power that men have over women in general again.
• Creating or buying a social media platform or a forum so that you will always have people who respond to you and praise you.
• Buying an island with epic parties and “services” that people want to visit. (No particular example comes to mind)

Can you find more examples?

If my theory is correct, this means that pedophilia is fundamentally different from being gay for example and also curable.

I think if the Epstein class would be given an effective way to heal their fear of abandonment, capitalism would collapse.

Edited 3 hours ago by Cred

[Someone here]

The difference between having gay sex and having a sexual relationship with a child is mostly that the gay partners are both adults and mature and choosing consciously to participate in the relationship..whereas having sex with a child is rape ..mostly rape since a child has no interest in sex whatsoever. Is rape bad ? Nothing is bad objectively. But bad is Defined relative to subjective harm to the individual and society. 

Edited 6 hours ago by Someone here

[Leo Gura]

My God dude. You are like a broken record with this neuro-diversity stuff.

I'm serious, you are falling into self-deception with sloppy epistemology. It you keep insisting on this you will end up with a very wrong worldview.

This isn't a joke any more.

[Monster Energy]

Great post! I do think it’s possible to overcome it, but only if you understand the root of why those patterns are there in the first place. If you never get to the root, nothing really changes.

From what I’ve seen, practices like dry fasting can bring a lot of awareness to your patterns and clear out a lot of internal imbalance. Most people don’t realize how much of their personality is influenced by what’s going on in the body, even down to things like gut bacteria. It’s not just genetics or life experience.

 

[Cred]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

My God dude. You are like a broken record with this neuro-diversity stuff.

I'm serious, you are falling into self-deception with sloppy epistemology. It you keep insisting on this you will end up with a very wrong worldview.

This isn't a joke any more.

This post was somewhat experimental in that the argument why pedophiles need to have ADHD is weak and lacks rigorousity. This is because I'm working on a theory on neurodivergence in parallel and I constantly have new insights that are based in direct experience that I'm testing out. I am constantly working on my epistemology in this dialectical way.

This is why I marked the first part as "less important". However, my point in that part broadly speaking, is not that radical which is "banging children is unconventional, therefore you need to be unconventionally minded to do it". The bulk of the part is kind of a bloated sloppy attempt at defining what conventionality is as precisely as possible.

 

The reason why I keep doubling down on neurodiversity is because learning about it has only ever helped me understand the world and myself better and I only had a myriad of moments of "there is more depth to neurodiversity than I thought" and never the opposite.

I hope that you remain open to my points. It is very unlikely that I will stop doubling down. To me, it is also not a joke.

[caspex]

It can't be this simple. For one, I can think of one other reason for it's emergence within someone. Powerlessness. If one has an irrational fear of losing control and being powerless, and cannot feel powerful within, they seek this by controlling and dominating others. Of course powerlessness can be tied in with abandonment but they are quite distinct as well. Maybe powerlessness is a broader term.

This can manifest in many ways, and can be mild to very extreme. Ted Bundy likely felt this way considering how he described taking someone's life as the ultimate act of control. 

In my opinion Epstein didn't do it because he was scared of abandonment but because he felt powerless within. One indication may be that he had very low Testosterone and therefore took supplements. I wonder if he didn't feel like a 'man' because of this. Of course there are many other indications. The whole Epstein class of people seem to be such high in powerful positions precisely because they constantly chase power as they are scared of losing control. 

 

This is just one analysis of why it may happen. Of course, your post makes just as much sense too. But it goes to show, it cannot be that simple. With stuff like this unless you do actual science it's hard to figure out whether something like pedophilia is truly curable or not. 

Also the stuff about sensitivity regarding meaning seems too simplified a model too. This sensitivity varies a lot by age, experience and maturity. 

Edited 2 hours ago by caspex

[AtmanIsBrahman]

@Cred Leo is right. You should listen to him.

You’re trying to fit things to your beliefs rather than genuinely looking into what’s true. It’s like when a Christian takes for granted their beliefs about Jesus and then sees the world through that lens. But they never would have gotten their Christian beliefs through genuine inquiry; they were indoctrinated into them.
Would you have derived all these ideas about ND/ADHD if you had never heard of those terms?

 

 

[Rafael Thundercat]

Or a man maybe just a sick mind that desire children. If one can be healed from love for children it means it was a sickness of mind. I was healed once from this sickness in a past life. I could see clearly in my dreams that this sickness was on me. Remember we are all born from a lineage of many men and woman and our past is inundated with all sorts of this lower consciousness behaviors. So of course we carry this curses in our DNA. Some people simply act out what others discipline themselfs to not act out, some people say the quiet part out loud. They show our collective shadow.

[Cred]

23 minutes ago, caspex said:

It can't be this simple. For one, I can think of one other reason for it's emergence within someone. Powerlessness. If one has an irrational fear of losing control and being powerless, and cannot feel powerful within, they seek this by controlling and dominating others. Of course powerlessness can be tied in with abandonment but they are quite distinct as well. Maybe powerlessness is a broader term.

It seems you have understood very well what my point was. I agree that "abandonment" is the manifestation of something more broad and abstract. To me this is "the abyss". I have described it here:

I focussed on abandonment to avoid abstract-ontological-existential-metaphysics-land which is hard to grasp for people which is likely why this post has no replies.

It seems that the abyss is an established concept in continental philosophy, but I need to look deeper into it to be able to compare it to how I use it.

30 minutes ago, caspex said:

Ted Bundy likely felt this way considering how he described taking someone's life as the ultimate act of control. 

Cool observation! My knowledge about Jeffrey Dahmer was part of the inspiration for this analysis on abandonment. My roommate said, that apparently, Dahmer only killed his victims when they were about to leave his place which is interesting and fits this idea that fear of abandonment (or fear of powerlessness as you say) played a role.

37 minutes ago, caspex said:

In my opinion Epstein didn't do it because he was scared of abandonment but because he felt powerless within. One indication may be that he had very low Testosterone and therefore took supplements. I wonder if he didn't feel like a 'man' because of this. Of course there are many other indications. The whole Epstein class of people seem to be such high in powerful positions precisely because they constantly chase power as they are scared of losing control. 

This is really good analysis and a good extension and critique of my points. This is an example of a constructive reply to my points.

41 minutes ago, caspex said:

This is just one analysis of why it may happen. Of course, your post makes just as much sense too.

I don't think we are in as much of a disagreement as you think. Again, I just used "fear of abandonment" as a placeholder for "the abyss" which includes fear of powerlessness.

42 minutes ago, caspex said:

it cannot be that simple

I kinda do think it might be that simple. There are a lot of times where complex phenomena could be reduced to a few mechanisms. Look at the emergent complexity of the game of life. This is the power of pattern recognition and abstraction.

44 minutes ago, caspex said:

Also the stuff about sensitivity regarding meaning seems too simplified a model too. This sensitivity varies a lot by age, experience and maturity. 

No. You can learn what meaning is, but it seems to me that one can't really increase ones sensitivity to it. 

[Cred]

21 minutes ago, AtmanIsBrahman said:

Would you have derived all these ideas about ND/ADHD if you had never heard of those terms?

Would you have derived all these ideas about Atman/Brahman if you had never heard of those terms?

[AtmanIsBrahman]

19 minutes ago, Cred said:

Would you have derived all these ideas about Atman/Brahman if you had never heard of those terms?

That's just my username. My point still stands

[Cred]

@AtmanIsBrahman My answer is no. What is your point? Do you want me to completely reinvent language?

You seem to be assuming that I'm just juggling with concepts here, but I'm not. Every one of my points are rooted in direct observation.

[yetineti]

OP, your view on neurodivergence is the same trap as people who think everyone is the same— except worse.

When people think ‘oh everyone is just the same’ they do miss a lot of the individual characteristics of people and often chalk up events to larger than life explanations or figures.

You are doing the opposite. By having this bias towards neurodivergence, you fundamentally leave no room for commonality or conventional answers.

Have you noticed that? You are obfuscating things behind reason—and naively so.

It sounds like you’re defending pedophilia at this point and it’s obvious you’ll probably say something like ‘No! It’s a serious problem, and my view actually gives us a solution!’—maybe— probably not.

In the meantime pedos will be arguing they can be cured and it’s an ailment—thanks.

None of this is to mentioned, as Leo said, how these methods with lead you astray, personally. 

Edited just now by yetineti