Owen Cooks Dropping BOMBS!

[LordFall]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I disagree with that.

Value mismatch and growing apart are natural things. They should not be framed as mistakes the man made.

"If only I gamed her harder we would not have grown apart" is a really wrong way of thinking about relationships.

Hard disagreed. Mostly when that happens it's the man failing to provide a structure for the relationship and having a solid life purpose that he takes his women with him on. A lot of men stagnate in their careers, don't have much ambition, get fat and don't have any social hobbies. It also stems from them having poor communication skills and not knowing what their women aspires to in life. 

What exactly do you think gaming your woman entails? A lot of it is being able to handle negative situations that occur in the relationship with poise and ability to handle stress over time. A lot of men crack under pressure and make their women handle hardships. That's failing to uphold your masculine duty and letting your woman stay in her feminine polarity. Part of game is being able to handle the world for yourself and your woman and keeping a fun and playful attitude about the hardships of life. 

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, LordFall said:

Hard disagreed. Mostly when that happens it's the man failing to provide a structure for the relationship and having a solid life purpose that he takes his women with him on. A lot of men stagnate in their careers, don't have much ambition, get fat and don't have any social hobbies. It also stems from them having poor communication skills and not knowing what their women aspires to in life. 

You just don't need to work this hard to keep a girl. Not unless she is a 20 year old model.

Women tolerate so much shit once they are in love with you.

Many men are lazy and have zero ambition or purpose and women stick around.

My attitude is, she will stick around even if I do nothing. That's ultimate confidence, haha. Lazy man's game 

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Natasha Tori Maru]

People can grow in different directions. When values diverge, the relationship ending isn’t necessarily someone’s fault. It can be incompatibility becoming visible. This is also where the saying 'Sometimes love isn't enough' comes from.

It isn't healthy to pathologize normal human drift.

Edited 2 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[LordFall]

The hottest women are absolutely more high maintenance than average women. It's not for every man to handle but it's a fun quest to go on. You need to have an above average lifestyle and social circle to keep them usually otherwise they have another dude that can offer more. 

Since I levelled up my lifestyle the attractiveness and quality of women that are into me are noticeably way higher. 

[AION]

There is no unified group called 9's and 10's with fixed attributes like high maintaince and such.

Some hot girls I know are very low maintaince. It is also when you catch them. When they are in their prime like 16-21 they are on hypergamy on the max.

But after a while they get worn out by 24 or something and you have a good chance of landing them.

I dated one 10 while I"m not a Don Jon myself. It was because I caught her at the right time and we had a connection. On general I agree with Owen. Frame is the master key. And even after you are married you need to keep frame in the same way you need to go to the gym. 

Women are very sensitive to frame. I did a lot of research and experimentation on this. They can basically read your mind. But you need a strong mind to pull it off. For example just for shits and giggles I had the frame that I was better than any girl at this venue and I didn't need to say anytihng. Women would just pick it up.

Some would be insulted without me opening my mouth. While others would like it. I'm not saying you should hold that frame but I'm just saying how powerful frame is because all is mind. I'm kind of surprised a forum like this doesn't get this.

 

Edited 2 hours ago by AION

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, AION said:

even after you are married you need to keep frame

That's the thing...

For me, keeping frame just means being me. I don't need to do anything to keep it.

When I am sitting doing nothing, that's my frame. I don't need to act douchey pickup guy.

Again, it feels like Owen is trying too hard. There is a try-hard energy about it.

When I look at my brother in his marriage, he is not "keeping frame" AT ALL.

When I am in a relationship, I am not trying at all.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

That's the thing...

For me, keeping frame just means being me. I don't need to do anything to keep it.

When I am sitting doing nothing, that's my frame.

Holy shit. Yes.

If you have to put any effort into consistently maintaining some fucken 'frame' its just some farse. It isn't confidence. And it will just implode on you later.

No one got time for that shit.

Just be genuine and earnest to who you are.

Cannot believe this needs to be said, but here we are.

[Majed]

@Leo Gura why are women crazy for psychopaths ? 

[AION]

26 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That's the thing...

For me, keeping frame just means being me. I don't need to do anything to keep it.

When I am sitting doing nothing, that's my frame. I don't need to act douchey pickup guy.

Frame is another word for confidence which is another word is that you are rooted in reality, and not easily shaken by reality. So what Owen is saying you shouldn't be a loser. Because if you are with a valuable girl most likely she will leave you after you get broke and she has options.And that is what happening to a lot of guys after they lose their job, or some other disaster.

But the thing is that I have friends with no jobs and they can still get girls so it is not about holding jobs or not taking L's but about regardless keeping frame. That is why it is the master key.

Edited 1 hour ago by AION

[Leo Gura]

16 minutes ago, AION said:

There is no unified group called 9's and 10's with fixed attributes like high maintaince and such.

It is an objective fact though that very attractive people have way more options, so harder to keep, harder to satisfy them.

How do you satisfy Megan Fox? Only a psychopath will satisfy her.

That level of attractiveness breeds corruption all by itself. Just by being hot, girls' minds are corrupt. A hot girl cannot just sit around all day doing nothing. She has been too spoiled by men.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Majed said:

@Leo Gura why are women crazy for psychopaths ? 

It's simple. Because they are exciting.

Are you crazy for white bread? No

You want to eat something exicting and new.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Majed]

@Leo Gura What's exciting about a psychopath ? 

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Majed said:

@Leo Gura What's exciting about a psychopath ? 

They live dangerously, adventurously.

Fun, drama, risk, new experiences.

[Majed]

@Leo Gura I see, i have ocd and bipolar type 1, does that mean, girls will be more attracted to me when i'm in a manic episode, or something like that ? Because when you're mentally ill, you're unpredictable and exciting, if what you're saying is true.  

[Leo Gura]

@Majed It only works if you are out socializing.

Nothing works if you are sitting in your bedroom.

[Majed]

@Leo Gura i kinda dropped socializing for now. Honestly i like solitude. Hanging with people is for stupid people. The sage wants to connect with God, the fool chooses poor substitutes like hanging with dumb people.

[AION]

29 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Holy shit. Yes.

If you have to put any effort into consistently maintaining some fucken 'frame' its just some farse. It isn't confidence. And it will just implode on you later.

No one got time for that shit.

Just be genuine and earnest to who you are.

Cannot believe this needs to be said, but here we are.

When you are a doctor you have to keep holding the frame of being a doctor. Same counts for any profession. Is holding frame difficult? Yes it is but that is your job.

As a girl you are allowed not to hold frame and just "tuck it in" but as a guy you aren't allowed to tuck it in aka  act like a girl. Especially in the beginning of a relationship and if a girl is very high value with a lot of options, even later you are not allowed to tuck it in.

By the way, holding frame is not difficult, and it is allowed to drop the frame, it is more about how quickly you can recover from it.

I did extended research on frame control and I tested out my research in the field. So holding frame is very diffrent for a man versus a women.

[LordFall]

15 minutes ago, Majed said:

@Leo Gura i kinda dropped socializing for now. Honestly i like solitude. Hanging with people is for stupid people. The sage wants to connect with God, the fool chooses poor substitutes like hanging with dumb people.

God is in everyone. Why hangout with dumb people? Hangout with high quality, smart, interesting and adventurous men and women. 

[Leo Gura]

The irony is this:

Before pickup you are just you.

Doing pickup you try too hard to be better than you, so you come across as insecure.

And after pickup you are just you.

The notion of holding frame itself creates a dynamic where you are insecure and lose frame. Whereas someone who doesn't even know about frame is just comfortably himself.

I think all of Owen's technical game can be simplified down to: learn how to go out and party. That's really what pickup is emulating.

Why are people out at clubs in the first place? It is not to get laid, it is to party. Guys who don't know how to party are the nerds who can't get laid.

If I was teaching bootcamps, all I would do is teach guys how to truly party.

Edited 1 hour ago by Leo Gura

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@AION You are applying one solution to a completely different domain.