suicide consuquences

[James123]

21 hours ago, Franz_ said:

I’ve noticed that a lot of religions seem to say that if someone dies by suicide something worse happens than if they just die normally.

Like in Christianity people talk about going to hell, in Buddhism some people say it can lead to a worse rebirth, etc. or just rebirth

Do you think there’s actually some truth behind that? Or do you think religions mainly added those ideas to scare people away from doing it?

@Leo Gura just curious about what you and everyone here think about that

Because, mind is suffering. Mind is telling you to do it. Real death is not physical but mentally. Which is the surrendering the mind.

[Someone here]

1 hour ago, Willy Phallicus said:

It's the opposite - absolute consciousness and clarity. 

Well Im still here so that's not how it went. 

As I explained there is a weighing of options that plays out over several long minutes and with that aforementioned clarity I realize there is nowhere else I would rather be and I am already doing exactly what I want.  

I was suicidal in a serious way in the past and the only thing that stopped me is precisely the "weighing of options". You are not gonna decide the last moment..you gonna rush into it unconsciously. If you gonna stand there at the edge of a cliff  and logic with yourself about potential scenarios of afterlife and the fact that this life at least is known and understood to some degree whereas after death is completely and utterly unknown..then you literally can't do it . Unless it's nonstop chronic pain like a serious injury then if the intensity of the suffering is not more powerful than the fear of the unknown then you won't do it . People think they can suicide because of philosophical reasons and reading people like Emil Cioran or Albert Camus..that's a childish fantasy. 

I think everyone has the right to die peacefully with assistant suicide which is painless. It's their own right. Then again what we do want is to live in peace ..not die in peace.  But sometimes death seems more peaceful than life and sometimes the opposite. 

[Breakingthewall]

On 14/3/2026 at 7:49 PM, Franz_ said:

Like in Christianity people talk about going to hell,

Jesus Christ doesn't say a single word about suicide. It was established that suicide is a mortal sin after Saint Augustine; it was then that Christianity became an ideology of absolute terror, since it established eternal hell and original sin.

This happens when Christianity ceases to be a marginal religion and becomes an instrument of power. Instruments of power want to have power over their puppets; these puppets cannot decide about their own life and death because their lives do not belong to them, they belong to the power structure.

[thierry]

The question of suicide is very complicated. In some traditions, there is no taboo around suicide; it is even recommended rather than living without dignity, as with the Japanese who practice seppuku.

They opened their stomachs because they believed that this was where the soul was located, in order to leave a way out for the soul. So even in their beliefs, they still wanted to put conditions in place for the afterlife.

Today, if we lived like the Japanese of that time, given the way we live without much sense of honor and almost constantly lying we would have to commit seppuku three times a day.

I don’t know which of the two philosophies is better: « If life is no longer worth living, then it doesn’t matter. This life is only an illusion anyway. You can take it away at any moment, and you’re not going to live in an undignified way when you can die right away. It’s pointless. » Or the other philosophy: « as long as you breathe, fight. As long as there is a spark of life, fight. »

A second question arises from the initial issue of whether suicide leads to hell, and whether the universe truly makes a distinction between dying by suicide and dying by other means. Does the universe even recognize such a difference?

 

For example, imagine someone walking down the street and a murderer comes up behind them and shoots them in the head. Would their consciousness then be sent directly to some kind of paradise? But if the exact same thing happens except that the person is the one holding the gun and pulling the trigger would their consciousness instead be sent to a place of horror?

 

In other words, does the universe really make such a moral distinction based solely on who pulled the trigger? Or even if the difference is not as extreme as heaven versus hell, might there still be some subtler distinction in how these two kinds of deaths are treated? I really don’t know

Another concept that seems interesting when thinking about this question is karma. And yes, I realize that I am only working with concepts and beliefs that may seem elegant or plausible but that is really all we have to work with when discussing this topic. No one has ever died and come back to tell us what actually happens, or at least no one that we can truly verify.

 

One elegant concept is karma. I don’t know about you, but at least in my own life or in life in general the idea of karma often seems to work surprisingly well. So why not extend that idea beyond life itself?

 

For example, imagine a case where suicide might appear justified: someone whose body is completely broken. They are not dead, but their body has lost any real vitality, and they live in constant pain. Let’s say this person still has ten years left to live in this broken temple that is their body.

 

Perhaps they are meant to go through those ten years. Perhaps if they endure those ten years and then die naturally, their next reincarnation will be completely “clean,” with good genetics and a healthy body. But if they end their life before those ten years are lived, perhaps their next reincarnation will be in a body with something like diabetes because they still have something they needed to experience that they did not live through in the previous life.

 

Of course, these are only hypothetical ideas meant to illustrate a possibility. But even then, would it truly make such a difference? Living ten years in a broken, suffering body or having diabetes in a future life. Is it really worse to have diabetes in a future life? Is it truly worse to spend ten years in a body filled with suffering?

 

In the end, does any of it really make that much of a difference?

 

[Hayato]

Few quotes from Rudolf Steiner on the topic:

 

"Among the various feelings a man can have as part of his ordinary life is the sheer joy of being alive, of living in a physical body. Hence he feels the lack of physical body as one of his worst deprivations. We can thus understand the terrible destiny and the horrible torments which have to be endured by the unfortunates who end their lives through suicide. When death comes naturally, the three bodies separate relatively easily. Even in apoplexy or any other sudden but natural form of death, the separation of these higher members has in fact been prepared for well in advance, and so they separate easily and the sense of loss of the physical body is only slight. But when the separation is as sudden and violent as it is with the suicide, whose whole organism is still healthy and firmly bound together, then immediately after death he feels the loss of the physical body very keenly and this causes terrible pains. This is a ghastly fate: the suicide feels as though he had been plucked out of himself, and he begins a fearful search for the physical body of which he was so suddenly deprived. Nothing else bears comparison with this."

 

https://rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA095/English/RSPAP1986/19060824p01.html

 

"No man would do this if he could see the significance of his deed; and when once Spiritual Science has really been taken into people's feelings and thoughts, there will be no more suicides. "

 

https://rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA175/English/GC1989/19170220p01.html