The Truth About Animal Farming

[Wilhelm44]

37 minutes ago, Ramasta9 said:

Modern Ayurveda is like Modern religions. Original teachings were passed down by Yogis and Hermits living in the mountains living of fruits, herbs, honey and berries but the village or city man couldn't digest or adopt such extreme diets and lifestyles because it required a higher vibration of living so they gradually changed the teachings to suit their own needs and thus became distorted overtime.  There is of course still some truth to Ayurveda, but like Chinese Whispers, the more years go by, the more distorted the original messages and teachings become.

I can argue with it because I am the truth is far older and far deeper. 3000 - 5000 years is nothing, new his-story.

 

Can you really say with absolute certainty that there are no people who's body types or constitutions actually require some meat to maintain health. No you can't, you only know your own body. Im sorry but ur being a tad arrogant here. 

(The part about different body types in Ayurvedic medicine is ancient knowledge, this is not something that got changed to suit meat eaters, everything is not a conspiracy.)

Edited Thursday at 11:13 AM by Wilhelm44

[Ramasta9]

1 hour ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Can you really say with absolute certainty that there are no people who's body types or constitutions actually require some meat to maintain health. No you can't, you only know your own body. Im sorry but ur being a tad arrogant here. 

(The part about different body types in Ayurvedic medicine is ancient knowledge, this is not something that got changed to suit meat eaters, everything is not a conspiracy.)

Its mere "programming". Humans are biological frugivores. Read here https://frugivorebiology.com/

The Ayurvedic masters originally taught raw "living" foods for optimal vibrant health and spiritual opulence / potency, as did Christ and Buddha, but these teachings were discarded / destroyed by the winners of the wars and religious priests who changed and rewrote history over and over again, gradually deepening our brainwashing and conditioning / programming to the modern genetic mutations humans have become today - unable to access higher insight and truth to see beyond the lies and illusions of our false education and history that we have been spoon fed since birth.

This is why fasting is important, it gradually dissolves the brainwashing and out-dated / old programs. 

As i said before, we had to leave the tropics for various reasons and sub-optimal environments and we were forced to eat other foods. So "cooked food" was introduced with "meat-eating" because humans couldn't digest these foods safely raw thus sub-optimal. Whereas the fruit, nut, berry, seed, honey ect.. is perfectly edible and medicinal in its raw and natural, untouched /  unprocessed state, thus intelligence says this is ideal food, as the further we manipulate man from nature, the further we manipulate man, the further man is from god consciousness and embodiment.

Our body does not need meat, it needs amino-acids. Which originally and optimally come from plants. The very fact that we need to break down protein in meat to turn it into amino-acids is already revealing enough, whereas plants contain amino-acids already, otherwise our bodies would convert amino-acids into protein.

its not arrogance, its intelligence.

 

 

Edited Thursday at 12:58 PM by Ramasta9

[Wilhelm44]

1 hour ago, Ramasta9 said:

Its mere "programming". Humans are biological frugivores. Read here https://frugivorebiology.com/

The Ayurvedic masters originally taught raw "living" foods for optimal vibrant health and spiritual opulence / potency, as did Christ and Buddha, but these teachings were discarded / destroyed by the winners of the wars and religious priests who changed and rewrote history over and over again, gradually deepening our brainwashing and conditioning / programming to the modern genetic mutations humans have become today - unable to access higher insight and truth to see beyond the lies and illusions of our false education and history that we have been spoon fed since birth.

This is why fasting is important, it gradually dissolves the brainwashing and out-dated / old programs. 

As i said before, we had to leave the tropics for various reasons and sub-optimal environments and we were forced to eat other foods. So "cooked food" was introduced with "meat-eating" because humans couldn't digest these foods safely raw thus sub-optimal. Whereas the fruit, nut, berry, seed, honey ect.. is perfectly edible and medicinal in its raw and natural, untouched /  unprocessed state, thus intelligence says this is ideal food, as the further we manipulate man from nature, the further we manipulate man, the further man is from god consciousness and embodiment.

Our body does not need meat, it needs amino-acids. Which originally and optimally come from plants. The very fact that we need to break down protein in meat to turn it into amino-acids is already revealing enough, whereas plants contain amino-acids already, otherwise our bodies would convert amino-acids into protein.

its not arrogance, its intelligence.

 

 

Small example, the nutrients you get from beef liver can not be obtained in the same level of potency from plants. I know my body. I can be vegetarian for a while. But my body needs some form of meat from time to time to function optimally. Every body is different. 

[Ramasta9]

58 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Small example, the nutrients you get from beef liver can not be obtained in the same level of potency from plants. I know my body. I can be vegetarian for a while. But my body needs some form of meat from time to time to function optimally. Every body is different. 

No, that is what we have been taught and one of the biggest misunderstandings in the modern world. Every body is the same, human or animal, inside we are the same.

Whats different is our artificial environments and lives that create all sorts of malfunctions and distortions within consciousness that our belief structure and programming shapes our body reactions and responses.

Reset the false beliefs and old-programs, you no longer need meat and actually function at a higher level. 

So in a nutshell, every human body is the same, but the consciousness / belief structure is not.

Thus distortions can appear. 

This is why some people who go vegan or vegetarian get worse, not because of no meat, but because they have unconscious / subconscious (hard-wired) belief systems that they "need" meat to survive or be healthy and strong.

When you finally transcend this "belief" you will realize you never needed it in the first place.

 

 

 

Edited Thursday at 03:18 PM by Ramasta9

[Wilhelm44]

41 minutes ago, Ramasta9 said:

No, that is what we have been taught and one of the biggest misunderstandings in the modern world. Every body is the same, human or animal, inside we are the same.

Whats different is our artificial environments and lives that create all sorts of malfunctions and distortions within consciousness that our belief structure and programming shapes our body reactions and responses.

Reset the false beliefs and old-programs, you no longer need meat and actually function at a higher level. 

So in a nutshell, every human body is the same, but the consciousness / belief structure is not.

Thus distortions can appear. 

This is why some people who go vegan or vegetarian get worse, not because of no meat, but because they have unconscious / subconscious (hard-wired) belief systems that they "need" meat to survive or be healthy and strong.

When you finally transcend this "belief" you will realize you never needed it in the first place.

 

 

 

What do you mean "every human or animal, inside we are the same", that doesnt even make sense ?

[Ramasta9]

8 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

What do you mean "every human or animal, inside we are the same", that doesnt even make sense ?

Every cat body is the same on the inside / requires same food for optimal function. Every bear body is the same inside / requires same food for optimal function. Every cow body is the same inside / requires same food for optimal function. Every human body is the same inside / requires same food for optimal function.

No animal cooks or processes their food. No animal has modern human diseases, (unless introduced to modern human ways / processed foods and modern "artificial / unnatural" environments and lifestyles humans live today).

Most disease stems from cooking, denaturing, processing, and eating the wrong foods. Such foods like meat, grains, animals products, hardy tubers ect... These were meant to be "temporary survival foods" when fruit, vegetable, nuts ect... was non-accessible, but humans were weak-minded and became enslaved by their disharmony with God / Nature thus the Devil seeped in gradually and the "dark-ages" took over, and man Fell soundly Asleep. Rockaby baby....

This is why the longest lived humans in blue-zones around the world are predominantly "vegan / vegetarian" or plant-based and eat little to no meat and animal products, and those who are mostly on animal products and meat have the shortest lifespans. Its common sense / logic / intelligence, we have to face it.

The science is there, the evidence is there. Its biology, Its anatomy, its universal. All else is Denial of Truth.

Each species has a species-specific / biological food. Ours is fruits, vegetables, nuts, ect... Ideally in their raw / natural state.

Doesn't get any clearer my friend. I already shared enough here, the rest is for you to educate yourself, the previous link has enough evidence and proof and this is a good book to read and re-educate true human origins and how we came to where we are today https://www.simonandschuster.co.in/books/Return-to-the-Brain-of-Eden/Tony-Wright/9781620552520

I have made the same posts for 20 years and nothing ever changes, case only gets stronger.

Edited yesterday at 12:08 AM by Ramasta9

[enzyme]

In my humble opinion, it's worth giving veganism a shot if you haven't already, for a month at least.  If you still feel like crap after that like I did then fair enough, meat is just something you need in your diet.

Being vegetarian is an option too although - if animal welfare is your main concern - the dairy industry isn't innocent either.  There's still death and despair in that area unfortunately.

[Wilhelm44]

5 hours ago, Ramasta9 said:

Every cat body is the same on the inside / requires same food for optimal function. Every bear body is the same inside / requires same food for optimal function. Every cow body is the same inside / requires same food for optimal function. Every human body is the same inside / requires same food for optimal function.

No animal cooks or processes their food. No animal has modern human diseases, (unless introduced to modern human ways / processed foods and modern "artificial / unnatural" environments and lifestyles humans live today).

Most disease stems from cooking, denaturing, processing, and eating the wrong foods. Such foods like meat, grains, animals products, hardy tubers ect... These were meant to be "temporary survival foods" when fruit, vegetable, nuts ect... was non-accessible, but humans were weak-minded and became enslaved by their disharmony with God / Nature thus the Devil seeped in gradually and the "dark-ages" took over, and man Fell soundly Asleep. Rockaby baby....

This is why the longest lived humans in blue-zones around the world are predominantly "vegan / vegetarian" or plant-based and eat little to no meat and animal products, and those who are mostly on animal products and meat have the shortest lifespans. Its common sense / logic / intelligence, we have to face it.

The science is there, the evidence is there. Its biology, Its anatomy, its universal. All else is Denial of Truth.

Each species has a species-specific / biological food. Ours is fruits, vegetables, nuts, ect... Ideally in their raw / natural state.

Doesn't get any clearer my friend. I already shared enough here, the rest is for you to educate yourself, the previous link has enough evidence and proof and this is a good book to read and re-educate true human origins and how we came to where we are today https://www.simonandschuster.co.in/books/Return-to-the-Brain-of-Eden/Tony-Wright/9781620552520

I have made the same posts for 20 years and nothing ever changes, case only gets stronger.

Thanks, Im gonna check out this last book, Return to the brain of Eden. 

(I see the people from Okinawa eat a heavy plant based diet, but they do also still have some fish.)

[Natasha Tori Maru]

I source all my meat (mainly kangaroo) from openly culled wild sources to try to minimise my contribution. 

I have so many food intolerances and malabsorption issues veganism was prohibitive for me. 

Vegetarian was decent, but I found a predominantly vegetable, fruit and some dairy with fish and eggs tends to suit me best. I eat meat twice a week. 

I have no trepidation killing a farmed animal to prep and consume; done it all through my youth. But I dislike being complicit in factory farming intensely. I try to minimise my impact. I don't feel the burden to be perfect. 

Bring on lab grown meat.

[Wilhelm44]

4 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I source all my meat (mainly kangaroo) from openly culled wild sources to try to minimise my contribution. 

I have so many food intolerances and malabsorption issues veganism was prohibitive for me. 

Vegetarian was decent, but I found a predominantly vegetable, fruit and some dairy with fish and eggs tends to suit me best. I eat meat twice a week. 

I have no trepidation killing a farmed animal to prep and consume; done it all through my youth. But I dislike being complicit in factory farming intensely. I try to minimise my impact. I don't feel the burden to be perfect. 

Bring on lab grown meat.

Agree with everything you said, accept the lab grown part, have a feeling there gonna be some weird side effects which you might only notice a couple years later.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Agree with everything you said, accept the lab grown part, have a feeling there gonna be some weird side effects which you might only notice a couple years later.

Yeah I'm sketch with anything artificial including lab grown tbh - it is just a dream I like. With you there.

[LoneWonderer]

For those interested in the subject the documentaries:

Earthlings and Dominion will show you the truth of industrial farming.

Little has changed since those docs where released almost two decades ago.

[Basman]

On 3/12/2026 at 1:40 PM, Ramasta9 said:

Its mere "programming". Humans are biological frugivores. Read here https://frugivorebiology.com

Humans are omnivores. 

No hunter-gatherer tribe observed have been strictly frugivores.

On 3/12/2026 at 1:40 PM, Ramasta9 said:

So "cooked food" was introduced with "meat-eating" because humans couldn't digest these foods safely raw thus sub-optimal. Whereas the fruit, nut, berry, seed, honey ect.. is perfectly edible and medicinal in its raw and natural, untouched /  unprocessed state, thus intelligence says this is ideal food, as the further we manipulate man from nature, the further we manipulate man, the further man is from god consciousness and embodiment.

Modern produce is so far removed what wild fruit and seeds originally look like in the wild. Modern produce represents generations of human manipulation and selective breeding.

Also, do you think that when ancient man finds honey that he would eat around the larva? I think that to be highly unlikely myself.

On 3/12/2026 at 1:40 PM, Ramasta9 said:

Our body does not need meat, it needs amino-acids. Which originally and optimally come from plants. The very fact that we need to break down protein in meat to turn it into amino-acids is already revealing enough, whereas plants contain amino-acids already, otherwise our bodies would convert amino-acids into protein.

Meat has higher bioavailability and is easier to digest. Makes sense of you consider meat predegisted plant matter. There's a reason why most cultures eat more meat when they get rich. 

Herbivores will oportunistically eat meat given the chance. It's an effective source of nutrients that can be hard to find in plants.  

On 3/13/2026 at 0:21 AM, Ramasta9 said:

 This is why the longest lived humans in blue-zones around the world are predominantly "vegan / vegetarian" or plant-based and eat little to no meat and animal products, and those who are mostly on animal products and meat have the shortest lifespans. Its common sense / logic / intelligence, we have to face it.

These communities are predominately farmers in tight knot community, like Okinawans. They eat a lot of veggies but also fish. Daily exercise, socialization and purpose are major factors too. Diet is only one aspect.

There are no societies that are vegan. You forget that veganism is an ethical construct. This people would still eat a burger if you gave it to them. 

On 3/12/2026 at 1:40 PM, Ramasta9 said:

its not arrogance, its intelligence.

No, it's misinformation. 

It's fine to make ethical and nutritional arguments to the extend that you acknowledge the role animal products play nutritionally, but it has to be true. Vegans can't twist facts and make up shit to serve one's ideology. That is the worst and most idiotic aspect of veganism, the tendency to just make up shit. Great example of the tendency of greenies to disregard rigor. It's why they will not only fail at their endeavors, but will make things worse in many circumstances. 

Again, don't forget veganism is an ethical philosophy, not a dietary one. There are certain benefits nutritionally on average, but you are making huge sacrifices by virtue of cutting out an entire kingdome of foods. The point is ethics, not nutrition. Vegans are eager to gloss over this because I think they know it's hard and unappealing. 

Edited 7 hours ago by Basman

[Natasha Tori Maru]

17 hours ago, LoneWonderer said:

For those interested in the subject the documentaries:

Earthlings and Dominion will show you the truth of industrial farming.

Little has changed since those docs where released almost two decades ago.

Earthlings was the reason I stopped consuming industrial farmed animal products - as much as possible. 

 

[Basman]

Consider that you can get the benefits of a vegan diets by just eating way more veggies and cutting out junk food. And it would be way easier and more realistic for most people than being vegan. Why would I make my life harder if I can live optimally with animal products?

The vegan argument has to be an ethical one. And that's where I think it becomes harder to win over people because solidarity for animals is probably limited in extent. You can clearly see with how less an animal looks like us (IE. mammalian), the less we consider it as having rights, like fish or bugs. Vegans themselves broadly prioritize cows and other cute animals I think. Humans don't naturally see animals as equal to them I believe. It's a huge challenge. 

I also think vegans being so moralistic and closed off to compromise hurts their cause. You can easily argue for that people need to eat more veggies and less meat without needing them to go 100. 100% being the baseline makes vegan look extreme and impractical. It makes me suspect that many vegans use ideology to cope with certain personal issues, because of how fatherless they can act. 

[Breakingthewall]

On 10/3/2026 at 5:33 PM, carterfelder said:

There is no right way to exploit and kill nonhuman animals for a diet that no human needs to eat.

Veganism is the solution, not vegetarianism, which is arguably even worse than nonveganism.

The very act of living as a human, eating (whether vegetables or meat), using technology, mining, extracting oil, etc., implies the death of millions of living beings for every single human individual. This includes the destruction of ecosystems, ocean pollution, deforestation, and so on.

The case of industrial farming is sad not because of the killing of animals, but because of how those animals live. Any animal that lives eventually dies; there's no problem with that. The problem is living in horrific conditions like those in factory farms. A farm chicken lives well and doesn't suffer when it dies. I wouldn't mind being a farm chicken, but I wouldn't like to be a cow in a factory farm.

Edited 4 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[LoneWonderer]

2 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Earthlings was the reason I stopped consuming industrial farmed animal products - as much as possible. 

 

@Natasha Tori Maru 🙏