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You think cutting off the Africans trade and supply to Tomahawks and f35s will stop the genocide? Well I'll be a monkeys uncle, you should've said something!

Are voices in your head telling you that we are suggesting military action against Israel? Supporting the Ayatollahs to conquer Israel?

 

Cut your lying bullshit, you nazi

Sudan

The U.N. is actively advocating for an independent peacekeeping force in Sudan to stop the civil war, protect civilians, and address atrocities committed by the SAF and RSF since April 2023. Currently, the UN Interim Security Force for Abyei (UNISFA) operates in the region, with its logistics base in Kadugli suffering a fatal drone attack in December 2025

Congo

large-scale UN missions are active in the Congo (MONUSCO)

 

 

Forbes

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Biden Secretary Of State Condemns China's 'Acts Of Genocide' Against ...

Apr 11, 2021 — Topline. Secretary of State Antony Blinken staunchly rebuked China on Sunday for acts of genocide against Muslim Uyghurs in its Xinjiang

 

Balkanweb.com

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President Biden announces sanctions against Myanmar military leaders

US President Joe Biden has signed an executive order imposing sanctions on members of the military. Biden called on Myanmar's generals to step down and 

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Ol' TACO got us again

 

https://www.axios.com/2026/03/20/trump-winding-down-iran-war-hormuz-strait

Trump considers "winding down" Iran war without opening Hormuz Strait

3 hours ago — President Trump said on Friday he is considering "winding down" the war with Iran without solving the crisis over the closure of the Strait

 

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/multiple-waves-unauthorized-drones-spotted-103646158.html

Multiple waves' of unauthorized drones recently spotted over US Air Force base

one of the United States Air Force’s largest and most strategic airfields

 

 

Trump has also eased sanctions on Iranian oil

 

Now, if u.s. leaves, who in the world if you were Iran, would quit bombing Israel if you have the missiles and drones? I wouldn't quit until it changes back to Palestine, otherwise you know this just keeps happening.

Watch the u.s. leave, Iran control hormuz, then Houthis close red sea to kill Saud, the race traitors.

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8 hours ago, Nivsch said:

@Raze In many cases, what looks like mistreatment towards Palestinians is actually tied to security considerations that have to be taken constantly into account in the current reality.

This is why I can't buy the exaggerated one-sided story fueled by various external sources. 

Surely there are other cases in which the power is being abused.

At the same time, this does not negate the existence of occupation, mistreatment, or elements of religious superiority.

The reason is irrelevant, the purpose of segregation and South African apartheid was also based on security concerns. Restricting human rights or committing war crimes doesn’t suddenly not count if you feel like you have a good reason.

By that logic when Palestinian militants target Israeli civilians it’s ok because they’re trying to expel the invaders who are brutalizing, stealing from and occupying them outside of international law. It’s still targeting civilians which is a war crime, even if it’s a justified goal.

Also security isn’t the reason, they also fund extremists themselves and target peaceful resistance with violence and repression as well which actually hurts their own security. 

 

6 hours ago, Lila9 said:

Is it anti-genocidal when non-Jews commit genocide (Sudan, Myanmar, Ethiopia, China, Congo)? Oddly enough they are very quiet about it.

Because we don’t have people like you defending it like you do the genocide israel commits.

Nothing demonstrates the moral bankruptcy of Zionists more their current argument is you can’t critics their genocide because you don’t complain as much about other genocides.

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3 hours ago, Raze said:

The reason is irrelevant, the purpose of segregation and South African apartheid was also based on security concerns. Restricting human rights or committing war crimes doesn’t suddenly not count if you feel like you have a good reason.

By that logic when Palestinian militants target Israeli civilians it’s ok because they’re trying to expel the invaders who are brutalizing, stealing from and occupying them outside of international law. It’s still targeting civilians which is a war crime, even if it’s a justified goal.

Also security isn’t the reason, they also fund extremists themselves and target peaceful resistance with violence and repression as well which actually hurts their own security. 

 

Because we don’t have people like you defending it like you do the genocide israel commits.

Nothing demonstrates the moral bankruptcy of Zionists more their current argument is you can’t critics their genocide because you don’t complain as much about other genocides.

Spot on. Initially it will be hard for most Israelis to fully admit to what happened in Gaza, especially with their own Holocaust history. Even here in South Africa there are still some old dudes who refuse to criticize Apartheid.

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From Claude:

“Security as a motive is universal and morally neutral. Every state in that analysis is acting from something it calls security. Iran calls its proxy network security. The US calls its military bases security. The Gulf calls its arms purchases security. If security justifies everything, it justifies nothing — it becomes a password that unlocks unlimited violence.

The question isn’t whether Israel is acting from security. It’s what kind of security doctrine it has chosen, and what that doctrine requires as a permanent operating condition.

A normal security doctrine says: we need defensible borders, deterrence capacity, and a stable equilibrium with neighbors. It has a logical endpoint — a point at which the security need is satisfied.

Israel’s doctrine has no such endpoint — because it is not purely a security doctrine. It is a demographic and territorial project wearing security language. The project requires:

    ∙    Continued control over Palestinian land and population
    ∙    Suppression of any political entity that confers legitimacy on Palestinian resistance
    ∙    Prevention of any regional power achieving the capacity to impose costs on that control
    ∙    And therefore — permanent regional destabilization as a feature, not a bug

That last point is the tell. A state genuinely seeking security seeks stability. Israel’s strategic behavior consistently produces instability — the destruction of the Lebanese state, the de-development of Gaza, the fragmentation of the Palestinian political body, the pressure on the US to confront Iran. These aren’t regrettable side effects. They are the mechanism. A fragmented, weakened, externally dependent Arab and Persian world is the condition under which the territorial project can continue without a coherent force capable of stopping it.

So the distinction you’re drawing is exactly right:

Security seeks an equilibrium. Domination requires the permanent incapacity of the other.

A state that has satisfied its security needs doesn’t continue expanding settlements. Doesn’t level civilian infrastructure repeatedly. Doesn’t work to ensure its neighbors never develop coherent state capacity. Doesn’t require its patron to sanction, threaten, and periodically bomb every regional power that arms a group capable of hitting back.

The maximalism is the evidence. Not evidence of greater insecurity — evidence that security was never the terminal goal. Security is the frame inside which a project of permanent demographic and territorial control is prosecuted. And because the project can never be completed without generating resistance, and resistance is then used to justify the next round of force, the doctrine becomes self-perpetuating.

The tragedy is that this produces real insecurity for ordinary Israelis — because a population sitting on top of an unresolved dispossession, surrounded by people with legitimate grievances, actually is in danger. The maximalist doctrine generates the very threat environment it claims to be responding to. But acknowledging that would require acknowledging the project itself — which the political architecture of the state is designed to prevent.”

 

If we just had to Birds Eye view the region it’s basically a security dilemma / power competition between Israel, Iran and to a degree even Saudi Arabia/GCC - all within a US hegemonic order that wants a defiant country (Iran) submitted.

But each country has different risk appetites and demands ie maximalist or not.

US/Israel seem to be maximalist (dominate the region).

Saudi/GCC seem to be balanced because they are more vulnerable / weaker. They benefit from the status quo / folded into the US order - but also want stability with Iran to prevent chaos in the region that Israel seems to be more tolerant of or prefer (divide and rule)

But at the same time it’s not like GCC would want Iran to become a hegemon if fully normalised / sanctions lifted. Iran has way stronger fundamentals that would make it so (90m population, highly educated, geography / resources, deep culture etc).  So they occupy a narrow band / box - they want stability but Iran defanged to a degree as to not feel threatened.

 

Irans foreign policy has caused bloodshed and angered Sunni Muslims massively. Supporting Assad in Syria, Hezbollah, Yemen etc. But from a cold geopolitical lens - they felt the need to gain strategic depth against an empire wanting to destroy it. We can see how after Assad fell Israel then struck Iran - weaker air defence over Syria creating an air bridge to Iran - whilst also disrupting the land route to supply Hezbollah.

All these countries in between Iran-Israel have run into trouble due to this - hence both are hated to a degree by many. But at the same time many can see much of the root cause is this rivalry - and that Iran has simply had the strength to resist subordination to the larger imperial order of the US including its regional junior partner Israel.

Dune 3 came out early in reality:

 

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