Breaking News: Major Combat Operations in Iran 🇺🇸 🇮🇱 🇮🇷

[Nivsch]

8 hours ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

Would be interesting to see that Israel have inside of it many different Spiral Dynamic Stages all conflicting with each other.

You are right about this

[cistanche_enjoyer]

24 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

You don’t know me. You’re not in a position to know what I care about.

Give me one good reason why you care about Iranian people

[Lila9]

5 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Yes though I still haven’t gotten used to the harsh sound of the early warning on the phone, but lucky that we have this warning couple of mins before the sirens.

Same 😔

My dogs whine every time.

The sound of the early warning is really harsh (though important).

[Lila9]

2 minutes ago, cistanche_enjoyer said:

Give me one good reason why you care about Iranian people

I’m not going to waste my time proving anything to you.

[Elliott]

I hope you guys stay safe. You're in a terrible situation that wasn't your doing. Please impeach your maniacs.

[Lila9]

32 minutes ago, Elliott said:

I hope you guys stay safe. You're in a terrible situation that wasn't your doing. Please impeach your maniacs.

Thank you, this is much appreciated.

[LordFall]

For those standing up to Iran

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1ryc6cx/iran_publicly_executes_teen_champion_wrestler_for/

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce9mzn7k722o

They just executed a 19-year-old champion wrestler named Saleh Mohammadi for participating in an anti Khamenei regime protest. 

[Elliott]

1 hour ago, LordFall said:

For those standing up to Iran

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1ryc6cx/iran_publicly_executes_teen_champion_wrestler_for/

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce9mzn7k722o

They just executed a 19-year-old champion wrestler named Saleh Mohammadi for participating in an anti Khamenei regime protest. 

They'll likely massacre every dissenter now, it's a matter of national security.

[Elliott]

I think the u.s. may be trying to exit. Perhaps Europe has mediated with Iran, that the u.s. will leave and they'll open the Strait. I can't imagine Iran will agree to ceasefire with Israel though.

 

 

Edited 10 hours ago by Elliott

[Jodistrict]

According to one game theory analysis, Trump is going to eventually put ground troops in Iran.  It seems plausible.  Trump is reckless and desperate and Israeli will eventually trick him into it.  Iran can’t be defeated by airpower. 

When this happens, everything changes.  The troop numbers will quickly escalate and there will be a draft.  This time next year, many on this forum could be fighting and dying in Iran.  This generation is going to get an opportunity to see what the Vietnam war was all about and why it changed society forever.  I also believe the reason Trump threatened to make Canada a 51st state was to give Canada heads-up that this time they won’t be allowed to accept draft dodgers.

 

[Raze]

Keep in mind when you see zionists feign concern for Iranians and insist the war is to help them, it’s all an act.

This same group is perfectly happy with Israel’s far more violent oppression of Palestinians and continue to lie and say israel is a democracy because they want people to ignore the people to subjugate.

Reports are already out that israel isn’t seeking regime change in Iran but rather regime collapse, they want to make Iran a failed state like Syria killing hundreds of thousands.

Israelis are on board, only 20% of Israeli Jews say israel should take cautions to not harm Iranian civilians.

Edited 8 hours ago by Raze

[Raze]

10 hours ago, Lila9 said:

If I support strikes on Iran it is only against the government of Iran. Not citizens.

I also would love if the Iranian government stop to carelessly strike ballistic missiles on random residential areas. 

By that logic you can’t complain about people who support Hamas if they just say they support them when they target military.

Military operations invariably harm civilians. You can’t blame “psychopathic men” for a war which you support because it killed 170 elementary school children as collateral, you are supporting them doing this.

Israel builds its military infrastructure embedded in residential areas, the idf headquarters is surrounded by residential buildings. You justified israel killing 100,000+ civilians with the excuse it’s because Hamas was “using human shields” (in reality just the claim that civilians were nearby a suspected Hamas member who was targeted).

This is the issue with Zionism and why it becomes more hated the more people learn about it. It is straight up racial supremacy of the most sadistic and irritating kind. Unable to accept they aren’t always the victims, complete hypocrites who think they’re entitled to do far more violent things while complaining about even 1% of that being returned in their direction, and masking it all in nonsense about liberal and civilizational values when it’s the exact opposite.

You try to mask it in feminism by blaming men and Nivsch masks it in gay rights like when he used to post pride flags to counter posts on Israeli war crimes (gay marriage isn’t even legal in Israel)

but really the overwhelming majority of feminists and gay rights activists in the west have rapidly turned away from Zionism because they clearly see zionists just use their causes just being used as cover for the worst crimes imaginable.

Edited 8 hours ago by Raze

[Nivsch]

4 hours ago, Raze said:

This is the issue with Zionism and why it becomes more hated the more people learn about it. It is straight up racial supremacy of the most sadistic and irritating kind.

Criticizing problems is one thing, but repeating the same fairytails over and over again is something else.

Edited 3 hours ago by Nivsch

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

@Raze I believe it is just a form of cope. If I was living in Israel, I’d probably be coping the same way, trying to make myself feel better by becoming extra liberal, feminist, etc. That’s why there’s no point in debating with these people

[Nivsch]

@NewKidOnTheBlock Or maybe your side is closed to real discussion. Reducing everything to the conflict like it was the only important issue and everything else is just in its shadow is illusory.

Edited 2 hours ago by Nivsch

[Breakingthewall]

42 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Criticizing problems is one thing, but repeating the same fairytails over and over again is something else.

It's instructive because it reflects the way the entire European left thinks. I know many people who think like this, ordinary people with ordinary jobs, who approve of the October 8th massacre, and if you raise any objection, they turn red with anger and start saying that Jews are a nation of murderers and that Israel is doing exactly what Hitler did and it must disappear. It's very interesting to try to understand that psychology. 

If, for example, you tell them that the Iranian regime has killed tens of thousands of protesters, they'll say it's disinformation, and that most of them were Mossad agents carrying weapons. This is because they have an absolute psychological need to organize the world into servants of light and servants of darkness, like in fantasy novels, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars. It doesn't matter if they're 16 or 50 years old, they need to remain at that level.

Everything revolves around the emotional release that a stimulus produces. And they've internalized that jews are evil, jews that devour babies on remote islands and that dominate the world by enriching themselves with the blood of the worker.

Thankfully, there are still brave Palestinian warriors who stand up to them, and heroic ayatollahs who will give them what they deserve. They even spend their time producing videos where Israel is bombed and devastated, happy that good triumphs over absolute evil.

The point is that people are like children. His entire narrative can be translated as: I need to feel like a good guy and blame the evil people for my shortcomings. That worked very well for Uncle Adolf back in the day; it's a primitive and effective strategy. Let's unite, noble souls, against evil. Paradoxically, it's always the other way around: the wicked unite against a scapegoat.

[Elliott]

42 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

@NewKidOnTheBlock Or maybe your side is closed to real discussion. Reducing everything to the conflict like it was the only important issue and everything else is just in its shadow is illusory.

We don't do that though, we're vocal that the Israel colony and continued expansion was wrong from the beginning. 

It'd be like 1800s U.S. with natives attacking colonizers here, the u.s. colonizers were in the wrong. Russia invading Ukraine, Russia is wrong, U.S. invading Venezuela or Greenland, U.S. is wrong. U.S. holding Puerto Rico, U.S. is wrong. China holding west China, Russia holding Siberia, China and Russia are wrong. Iran is opposing colonization, with terrorism, it's the only means possible against the global hegemony. 

It's obvious racism, why do Ashkenazis have more right to Palestine than Palestinians?

Edited 2 hours ago by Elliott

[Raze]

26 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's instructive because it reflects the way the entire European left thinks. I know many people who think like this, ordinary people with ordinary jobs, who approve of the October 8th massacre, and if you raise any objection, they turn red with anger and start saying that Jews are a nation of murderers and that Israel is doing exactly what Hitler did and it must disappear. It's very interesting to try to understand that psychology. 

If, for example, you tell them that the Iranian regime has killed tens of thousands of protesters, they'll say it's disinformation, and that most of them were Mossad agents carrying weapons. This is because they have an absolute psychological need to organize the world into servants of light and servants of darkness, like in fantasy novels, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars. It doesn't matter if they're 16 or 50 years old, they need to remain at that level.

Everything revolves around the emotional release that a stimulus produces. And they've internalized that jews are evil, jews that devour babies on remote islands and that dominate the world by enriching themselves with the blood of the worker.

Thankfully, there are still brave Palestinian warriors who stand up to them, and heroic ayatollahs who will give them what they deserve. They even spend their time producing videos where Israel is bombed and devastated, happy that good triumphs over absolute evil.

The point is that people are like children. His entire narrative can be translated as: I need to feel like a good guy and blame the evil people for my shortcomings. That worked very well for Uncle Adolf back in the day; it's a primitive and effective strategy. Let's unite, noble souls, against evil. Paradoxically, it's always the other way around: the wicked unite against a scapegoat.

Ironically this comment itself shows how you represent the issue more than anyone else. 

You’ve spent months celebrating Israeli violence and defending it, making idiotic comparisons to other crimes as though that somehow is related.

Now you act like it’s just because you have nuance that you dismiss any criticism towards them.

Facts of the situation matter, you lack capacity to grasp them so you revert to caricatures, straw men and dumb sarcasm.

It’s not that anyone is trying to be the “good guy”, it’s because they have basic comprehension and some moral fiber which you do not. It’s not my opinion, you constantly get the most basic facts wrong and use the most idiotic fallacious arguments which you completely contradict in a later comment. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Raze

[Raze]

1 hour ago, Nivsch said:

Criticizing problems is one thing, but repeating the same fairytails over and over again is something else.

Every human rights organization of relevance has found israel guilty of the crime of apartheid

Former Israeli heads of mossad and shin bet have admitted it is apartheid

Polls show the majority of Israelis support ethnic cleansing and believe Jews deserve more rights

If America declared itself a white nation and passed a white nation law, allowed any white person to get citizenship and move here to live on land it kicked people out of, didn’t allow 70% of its blacks citizenship and instead forced them into occupation so they can’t vote so whites retain majority vote, had almost every white political party declaring they won’t work with black parties to sideline them even more, let random white lynch mobs take land and set buildings on fire and kidnap these occupied black civilians, it would be racial supremacy.

As it is in Israel, which does exactly this except for Jews and Palestinians.

Edited 2 hours ago by Raze

[Elliott]

Checkout how far these bombers have to fly back to a nazi base each run. Analysts are speaking about interceptor and Tomahawk depletion, but we're also puting our entire high maintenance air force out of commission for maintenance. F35s only average 11 hours between critical failures, requiring 5 hours of maintenance for 1 hour of flight. B2 bombers require 120 hours for 1 hour of flight, and require special air bases, they require recoating for stealth, this is why our old bombers are being used like the one this map is from.

This operation is a display of failure on every level, to our adversaries and allies. Trump is taking down the hegemony.

Edited 1 hour ago by Elliott