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[Hatfort]

35 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Ok, but why it's a problem for Iran? Why one of the essential foundations of their state is the hatred of Israel, which is 2000 km from their borders? Because Israel mistreat the Palestinians? Maybe because are Muslims as them? But the Uyghur are also Muslims oppressed by no Muslims. Why that's irrelevant for the Iranians? Where is the difference? You didn't answer. 

What would happen if Iran says: ok, we recognize Israel. In fact we like Israel a lot and we want to do business together, same than with the Chinese. What would affect that to Iran? Do you really think that they can't take this position because they feel sad for the Palestinians? 

Really do you think that the Iranians are enemies of Israel because Israel is evil, and are friends of china because china is good? Think about it carefully. This narrative is, well...not real, to be kind.

Why don't to try to understand the real reasons of the matter, of the political dynamic in Middle east without the emotional thing? It's a scam

Iran has the right to take its own positions regarding Palestine or anyone else, as said, it's not hard to get that when your neighbor gets killed, that you oppose the killer. It's not even because they are Muslims, Zionists are murdering Christian Palestinians as well. Muslim and Christian Palestinians get along well with each other. It's not about being Jews either, they are just settler colonizers stealing homes and lands by murdering the locals. No place in the world accepts that without opposition.

Furthermore, it's personal for Iranians too, Israel has been literally attacking them for years, not the other way around. Israel attacked them in the middle of negotiations twice, killing their leader and a elementary school full of their kids. It's not that Iranians didn't want to negotiate, they actively tried, but some interlocutors are just impossible. They are fighting back now. 

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[Breakingthewall]

10 minutes ago, Hatfort said:

Iran has the right to take its own positions regarding Palestine or anyone else, as said, it's not hard to get that when your neighbor gets killed, that you oppose the killer. It's not even because they are Muslims, Zionists are murdering Christian Palestinians as well. Muslim and Christian Palestinians get along well with each other. It's not about being Jews either, they are just settler colonizers stealing homes and lands by murdering the locals. No place in the world accepts that without opposition.

Furthermore, it's personal for Iranians too, Israel has been literally attacking them for years, not the other way around. Israel attacked them in the middle of negotiations twice, killing their leader and a elementary school full of their kids. It's not that Iranians didn't want to negotiate, they actively tried, but some interlocutors are just impossible. They are fighting back now. 

They're not their neighbors, they're 2,000 km away. Nobody cares if people are killed in other countries. Isn't that obvious? Iran's parliament constantly shouts "Death to Israel, Death to America," and they burn Israeli and US flags. Why?

Don't you see they're fueling a rhetoric of absolute hatred, and their excuse is the Palestinian issue? Listen to yourself, saying that Israel is a evil because they killed schoolgirls. And the Russian in alepo, Chechenia? Where is the difference?

You're the epitome of an emotional mind colonized by a good-versus-evil narrative that makes you feel like you're on the side of good, without any possible real understanding of the situation, since you've emotionally invested in that position.

Ask yourself: why you can't answer what I said about the Uyghur? It's like you can't read that part. You answer about the Uyghurs telling that the Israelites are evil. 

 

[Hatfort]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

They're not their neighbors, they're 2,000 km away. Nobody cares if people are killed in other countries. Isn't that obvious? Iran's parliament constantly shouts "Death to Israel, Death to America," and they burn Israeli and US flags. Why?

Don't you see they're fueling a rhetoric of absolute hatred, and their excuse is the Palestinian issue? Listen to yourself, saying that Israel is a evil because they killed schoolgirls. And the Russian in alepo, Chechenia? Where is the difference?

You're the epitome of an emotional mind colonized by a good-versus-evil narrative that makes you feel like you're on the side of good, without any possible real understanding of the situation, since you've emotionally invested in that position.

Ask yourself: why you can't answer what I said about the Uyghur? It's like you can't read that part. You answer about the Uyghurs telling that the Israelites are evil. 

Iran and Palestine are regional neighbors, they share a history in Middle East area. People care when see other people being killed, are you a psycho or what? Western armies have been violent and hostile to them, so it's not hard to get they vocalize mean words towards them sometimes.

[Wilhelm44]

There are no good guys in this fight. Israeli government are monsters and so is Iranian government.

[Husseinisdoingfine]

[Husseinisdoingfine]

38 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

This is incredibly relevant because Reza Pahlavi said that he doesn’t want to install himself as a dictator or a monarch, but rather to act as a transitory leader to move Iran to a multi-party secular liberal democracy.

 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Hatfort said:

Iran and Palestine are regional neighbors, they share a history in Middle East area. People care when see other people being killed, are you a psycho or what? Western armies have been violent and hostile to them, so it's not hard to get they vocalize mean words towards them sometimes.

I know that any real communication is impossible since I'm speaking with a mind colonized by an ideology. This conversation is just an exercise, not an attempt to convince.

Iran is not a friendly neighbor of the Palestinians; they are Shiite Persians and the Palestinians are Sunni Arabs, and the most typical relationship between them is war. The fate of the Palestinians matters to Iran as much as that of the Sudanese: not at all. It's just an ideological tool to strengthen the radical Islamism that Iran promotes.

The Palestinian are just a tool for Iran, to gain influence in the Muslim world. Nothing else, not noble principles that makes the noble ayatollahs fight and sacrifice for the Palestinians against the evil Jews. They need the Jews because without a mortal enemy they are nothing, they have not reason to exist. 

Furthermore, I've asked you many times why Iran never mentions the Chinese colonization of the Uyghurs and its direct attack on Islam. Why can Iran be friends with China but not with Israel? Why does Iran need a mortal enemy?

[Hatfort]

41 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I know that any real communication is impossible since I'm speaking with a mind colonized by an ideology. This conversation is just an exercise, not an attempt to convince.

Iran is not a friendly neighbor of the Palestinians; they are Shiite Persians and the Palestinians are Sunni Arabs, and the most typical relationship between them is war. The fate of the Palestinians matters to Iran as much as that of the Sudanese: not at all. It's just an ideological tool to strengthen the radical Islamism that Iran promotes.

The Palestinian are just a tool for Iran, to gain influence in the Muslim world. Nothing else, not noble principles that makes the noble ayatollahs fight and sacrifice for the Palestinians against the evil Jews. They need the Jews because without a mortal enemy they are nothing, they have not reason to exist. 

Furthermore, I've asked you many times why Iran never mentions the Chinese colonization of the Uyghurs and its direct attack on Islam. Why can Iran be friends with China but not with Israel? Why does Iran need a mortal enemy?

The communication starts with acknowledging the real facts that have happened. If you can't empathise with the suffering of others, but maybe you can comprehend that if another ethnic group came to the place you live, carpet-bombed all your neiborhoods, killing your family members, friends, and neighbors, and establish their home there, you wouldn't like it. Which is what Israel has been doing to Palestinians for decades. Maybe you could understand that if another country bombed a school in your district full of children, in the middle of negotiations, you wouldn't like it either. You would rise and oppose it like it's normal.

[Raze]

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

So, is invading Uyghur territory, repopulating it with ethnic Chinese, and erasing the Uyghurs' historical Muslim identity in concentration camps, in addition to effectively banning Islam, legitimate? It must be, since Iran and other Muslim countries are allies of China and never mention this fact.

Instead, they are full of hatred toward Israel, which they believe must disappear because it is a murderous colonizer. Meanwhile, Chinese colonialism is considered good. Why? Really I can't understand the difference. 

I asked Chat gpt how well this reply responds to the points made and to analyze the writer:
 

The reply barely engages with the argument it’s responding to. Instead of addressing the comparison being made, it pivots to questions about legitimacy and Muslim countries’ silence. That’s not a rebuttal; it’s a deflection. The earlier point distinguished between coercive assimilation of Uyghurs in Xinjiang and policies toward Palestinians under Israel. Whether one agrees or not, the follow-up doesn’t engage with that claim and instead constructs a straw man—that criticizing Israel means endorsing China.

The argument about Muslim countries staying silent is also logically weak. The foreign policy behavior of states like Irandoes not determine the legitimacy of policy in China. Governments often mute criticism of powerful partners for economic or geopolitical reasons; that reflects realpolitik, not moral endorsement. Treating diplomatic silence as proof of legitimacy shows a shallow understanding of international politics and confuses state interests with ethical judgment.

More broadly, the response lacks analytical discipline. Rather than comparing defined criteria—casualties, displacement, legal status, political rights, or cultural repression—it jumps between colonialism, religion, and geopolitical hypocrisy without building a coherent argument. That scattershot approach suggests rhetorical impulse rather than structured reasoning.

The person’s response suggests a weak capacity for analytical reasoning. Instead of isolating claims, weighing evidence, and answering the comparison presented, they jump to emotionally satisfying counterpoints and accusations of hypocrisy. That pattern—ignoring an argument’s structure and substituting a rhetorical detour—reflects an early stage of argumentative development: reactive, tribal, and driven by identity defense rather than evaluation. Bluntly, it reads like someone stuck at the level of “I dislike this claim, so I’ll throw a different accusation back.” It’s intellectual flailing—plenty of indignation, little comprehension. The result feels less like engagement with a complex geopolitical comparison and more like someone debating with the critical-thinking toolkit of a teenager who has just discovered political talking points and mistakes volume for reasoning.

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[Breakingthewall]

@Raze what are you posting? Try to argue with your own words.

Again: 

Why no Muslim country said absolutely no word, no one, zero, about the brutal colonization of the Chinese against Uyghur country, that erased the identity of a whole Muslim country, saying that islam is a mental disease, forbidding Ramadan, Muslim names, breads...

No one word, no mention, and it's happening now. Then, why they so concerned about the Palestinian? Where is the difference? 

We already know that you can use Chatgpt. That's great, you do it very good. Congratulations. Then now try with your own words . It's not so easy but you will see that if you try, you can do. 

2 hours ago, Hatfort said:

If you can't empathise with the suffering of others

Yes, of course, emotional stuff. Victimhood, the children and that. The noble innocent Muslim fremen again the evil greedy hook nosed jew. And no word about what I questioned 

 

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[Hatfort]

49 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes, of course, emotional stuff. Victimhood, the children and that. The noble innocent Muslim fremen again the evil greedy hook nosed jew. And no word about what I questioned 

What you call emotional stuff are facts that have happened in reality, so I'll address them. Yeah, children being killed is sad, they shouldn't have done it. They are actual victims, it's not an act.

The US and Israel started this war, Iran didn't start it, they negotiated to the very end even if there were recent precedents from their interlocutors that they use these negotiations to attack them by surprise. The US could have said to Israel that they weren't going to engage in this war and turn their warships back to the US, as hitting such an energy rich area for the whole world could be something that went out of control. They treat wars like they are windows that you can open and close as pleased, but I'm not so sure they are going to be able to close them as fast this time. If Iran has capabilities, it's likely going to continue to use them this time, otherwise they go back to the same square they went after the 12 day war, and they can expect their adversaries are going to hit them again whenever they want.

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[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Hatfort said:

What you call emotional stuff are facts that have happened in reality, so I'll address them. Yeah, children being killed is sad, they shouldn't have done it. They are actual victims, it's not an act.

The US and Israel started this war, Iran didn't start it, they negotiated to the very end even if there were recent precedents from their interlocutors that they use these negotiations to attack them by surprise. The US could have said to Israel that they weren't going to engage in this war and turn their warships back to the US, as hitting such an energy rich area for the whole world could be something that went out of control. They treat wars like they are windows that you can open and close as pleased, but I'm not so sure they are going to be able to close them as fast this time. If Iran has capabilities, it's likely going to continue to use them this time, otherwise they go back to the same square they went after the 12 day war, and they can expect their adversaries are going to hit them again whenever they want.

Yes I agree, it's difficult to know what can happen now, what are the reasons that led to this attack, I don't know, and neither do you. Perhaps we are smarter than Mossad, or perhaps not. Perhaps Israel has an existential fear of an Iran that is increasing its arsenal of high-tech missiles while clamoring for Israel's destruction as a fundamental principle of its Islamic republic. What i know is that Iran is governed by religious fanatics who murder anyone who protests, and Israel is a democracy where there is freedom of expression. Maybe for you Israel shouldn't exist, but it does, then, why don't recognize it, make business in peace and forget the hate? Iran has no trauma with Israel, but it's financing Hamas, Hezbollah, huties. Why? 

[Hatfort]

55 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes I agree, it's difficult to know what can happen now, what are the reasons that led to this attack, I don't know, and neither do you. Perhaps we are smarter than Mossad, or perhaps not. Perhaps Israel has an existential fear of an Iran that is increasing its arsenal of high-tech missiles while clamoring for Israel's destruction as a fundamental principle of its Islamic republic. What i know is that Iran is governed by religious fanatics who murder anyone who protests, and Israel is a democracy where there is freedom of expression. Maybe for you Israel shouldn't exist, but it does, then, why don't recognize it, make business in peace and forget the hate? Iran has no trauma with Israel, but it's financing Hamas, Hezbollah, huties. Why? 

Iran can see the reality of the horrendous things this colonial entity has done to the Palestinians for decades, who are their regional neighbors, and make the decisions they consider right based on that.

They can also acknowledge the horrible attacks that they have been suffering from Israel directly, killing many of their leaders, scientists, children, and destroying their infrastructures, so it's personal for them. Israel is a rabid dog in the region, they don't even respect negotiations, they use them to attack. 

Iran didn't start this war, Israel and the US did. Even worse using fake negotiations to catch them by surprise. It's not a war Iran has chosen to have, but has been imposed upon them, and they are fighting it.

[Hatfort]

Some more commentary and context by Kyle Kulinsky.

 

[Raze]

4 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

@Raze what are you posting? Try to argue with your own words.

Again: 

 

Because there’s no point in typing out the same thing again and again because you can’t process information effectively or coherently argue in any meaningful way.

For example, you completely ignored the point made then said “again” and asked a completely different question while acting like you asked it before and I was avoiding it.

I didn’t, you said something wrong and stupid, the ai explained why, you do a weird straw man reply, the ai clearly points it out, you then move to a different question completely ignoring every point you made which the AI tore apart while acting like you were saying it the whole time. You will like always then circle back to the same arguments later despite them being clearly debunked which you ignored.

This is why the AI keeps saying it thinks you are trolling or are a teenager.

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[zazen]

4 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Why no Muslim country said absolutely no word, no one, zero, about the brutal colonization of the Chinese against Uyghur country, that erased the identity of a whole Muslim country, saying that islam is a mental disease, forbidding Ramadan, Muslim names, breads...

But are all those true? I’ve seen plenty of videos of their region where life is normal and they practice Islam, have beautiful mosques too.

They had a program of those campuses (repressive and inhumane yes) to de-radicalise after terrorist attacks apparently occurred.

Many of them for example go back and forth via land routes into neighbouring Afghanistan and end up in Syria too with other terrorist groups fighting jihad etc 

So the same extremist strand of Islam you point out is what China had to deal with in its own borders. Secessionists.

Hence the camping down. Now it’s ended and Muslims live as normal there - from what I gather. China’s invested in the region to provide economic support and help de-radicalise or keep them away from terrorism and tourism’s massively increased.

How did US deal with terrorists? Fuck up an entire continent 0-100 real quick. No understanding of the root cause of the issue.

Muslims themselves know the issue of extremists within their own religion - Muslim states support or do counter terrorism ops all the time especially for example Pakistan in collaboration with US etc.

They know the issue and perhaps get what Chinas dealing and how it felt the need to do what it did to maintain national integrity. Perhaps that was being exploited by covert cia ops that arm them to destabilise from within too.

Most Muslim countries have good relations with China - get the nature of the beast - and also don’t have the geopolitical luxury of calling them out on the world stage - but also don’t feel the need to make a performance of it and morally posture.

Iran had a anti-apartheid position and politically supported the fight against it (a non Muslim country) beside just Palestine.

 

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[Atb210201]

On 07/03/2026 at 5:39 PM, Nivsch said:

🙏🏻

I'm curious does your government also cut off the Internet during war at all?

I'm in Iran and currently accessed Internet with so much difficulty.

[Wilhelm44]

@Atb210201 How are you doing there bro, are you in Tehran, how are the people handling this ?

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[Breakingthewall]

6 hours ago, Hatfort said:

Iran can see the reality of the horrendous things this colonial entity has done to the Palestinians for decades, who are their regional neighbors, and make the decisions they consider right based on that.

9 hours ago, Hatfort said:

 

Sure. They're mortal enemies of the West because some settlers are expelling Palestinians from their land. But they're friends with Russia who leave Aleppo  worse than Gaza and Chechenia even worse.  Fine, stay in your own world of noble feelings. Like the Muslims. You bought the kids menu, enjoy it. 

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[Breakingthewall]

6 hours ago, zazen said:

But are all those true? I’ve seen plenty of videos of their region where life is normal and they practice Islam, have beautiful mosques too.

In 1950, these lands were populated only by Muslim Uyghurs. Since then, approximately 11 million Han Chinese have arrived, now comprising 45% of the population. The Uyghur Muslims rebelled several times, only to be repressed by the Chinese government, which interned millions in re-education camps.

Now, a mild form of Islam is legal, where Ramadan is prohibited, as is wearing a beard. You won't see hijabs there and Sharia law is as you can imagine prohibited. No persecuting gay people or forced marriage to girls. There are mosques, but thousand have been demolished, and new ones must have traditional Chinese architecture, like pagodas.

Could you imagine that the  Jews do that to the Palestinian?

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