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[Hatfort]

35 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Ok, but why it's a problem for Iran? Why one of the essential foundations of their state is the hatred of Israel, which is 2000 km from their borders? Because Israel mistreat the Palestinians? Maybe because are Muslims as them? But the Uyghur are also Muslims oppressed by no Muslims. Why that's irrelevant for the Iranians? Where is the difference? You didn't answer. 

What would happen if Iran says: ok, we recognize Israel. In fact we like Israel a lot and we want to do business together, same than with the Chinese. What would affect that to Iran? Do you really think that they can't take this position because they feel sad for the Palestinians? 

Really do you think that the Iranians are enemies of Israel because Israel is evil, and are friends of china because china is good? Think about it carefully. This narrative is, well...not real, to be kind.

Why don't to try to understand the real reasons of the matter, of the political dynamic in Middle east without the emotional thing? It's a scam

Iran has the right to take its own positions regarding Palestine or anyone else, as said, it's not hard to get that when your neighbor gets killed, that you oppose the killer. It's not even because they are Muslims, Zionists are murdering Christian Palestinians as well. Muslim and Christian Palestinians get along well with each other. It's not about being Jews either, they are just settler colonizers stealing homes and lands by murdering the locals. No place in the world accepts that without opposition.

Furthermore, it's personal for Iranians too, Israel has been literally attacking them for years, not the other way around. Israel attacked them in the middle of negotiations twice, killing their leader and a elementary school full of their kids. It's not that Iranians didn't want to negotiate, they actively tried, but some interlocutors are just impossible. They are fighting back now. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Hatfort

[Breakingthewall]

10 minutes ago, Hatfort said:

Iran has the right to take its own positions regarding Palestine or anyone else, as said, it's not hard to get that when your neighbor gets killed, that you oppose the killer. It's not even because they are Muslims, Zionists are murdering Christian Palestinians as well. Muslim and Christian Palestinians get along well with each other. It's not about being Jews either, they are just settler colonizers stealing homes and lands by murdering the locals. No place in the world accepts that without opposition.

Furthermore, it's personal for Iranians too, Israel has been literally attacking them for years, not the other way around. Israel attacked them in the middle of negotiations twice, killing their leader and a elementary school full of their kids. It's not that Iranians didn't want to negotiate, they actively tried, but some interlocutors are just impossible. They are fighting back now. 

They're not their neighbors, they're 2,000 km away. Nobody cares if people are killed in other countries. Isn't that obvious? Iran's parliament constantly shouts "Death to Israel, Death to America," and they burn Israeli and US flags. Why?

Don't you see they're fueling a rhetoric of absolute hatred, and their excuse is the Palestinian issue? Listen to yourself, saying that Israel is a evil because they killed schoolgirls. And the Russian in alepo, Chechenia? Where is the difference?

You're the epitome of an emotional mind colonized by a good-versus-evil narrative that makes you feel like you're on the side of good, without any possible real understanding of the situation, since you've emotionally invested in that position.

Ask yourself: why you can't answer what I said about the Uyghur? It's like you can't read that part. You answer about the Uyghurs telling that the Israelites are evil. 

 

[Hatfort]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

They're not their neighbors, they're 2,000 km away. Nobody cares if people are killed in other countries. Isn't that obvious? Iran's parliament constantly shouts "Death to Israel, Death to America," and they burn Israeli and US flags. Why?

Don't you see they're fueling a rhetoric of absolute hatred, and their excuse is the Palestinian issue? Listen to yourself, saying that Israel is a evil because they killed schoolgirls. And the Russian in alepo, Chechenia? Where is the difference?

You're the epitome of an emotional mind colonized by a good-versus-evil narrative that makes you feel like you're on the side of good, without any possible real understanding of the situation, since you've emotionally invested in that position.

Ask yourself: why you can't answer what I said about the Uyghur? It's like you can't read that part. You answer about the Uyghurs telling that the Israelites are evil. 

Iran and Palestine are regional neighbors, they share a history in Middle East area. People care when see other people being killed, are you a psycho or what? Western armies have been violent and hostile to them, so it's not hard to get they vocalize mean words towards them sometimes.

[Wilhelm44]

There are no good guys in this fight. Israeli government are monsters and so is Iranian government.

[Husseinisdoingfine]

[Husseinisdoingfine]

38 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

This is incredibly relevant because Reza Pahlavi said that he doesn’t want to install himself as a dictator or a monarch, but rather to act as a transitory leader to move Iran to a multi-party secular liberal democracy.

 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Hatfort said:

Iran and Palestine are regional neighbors, they share a history in Middle East area. People care when see other people being killed, are you a psycho or what? Western armies have been violent and hostile to them, so it's not hard to get they vocalize mean words towards them sometimes.

I know that any real communication is impossible since I'm speaking with a mind colonized by an ideology. This conversation is just an exercise, not an attempt to convince.

Iran is not a friendly neighbor of the Palestinians; they are Shiite Persians and the Palestinians are Sunni Arabs, and the most typical relationship between them is war. The fate of the Palestinians matters to Iran as much as that of the Sudanese: not at all. It's just an ideological tool to strengthen the radical Islamism that Iran promotes.

The Palestinian are just a tool for Iran, to gain influence in the Muslim world. Nothing else, not noble principles that makes the noble ayatollahs fight and sacrifice for the Palestinians against the evil Jews. They need the Jews because without a mortal enemy they are nothing, they have not reason to exist. 

Furthermore, I've asked you many times why Iran never mentions the Chinese colonization of the Uyghurs and its direct attack on Islam. Why can Iran be friends with China but not with Israel? Why does Iran need a mortal enemy?

[Hatfort]

41 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I know that any real communication is impossible since I'm speaking with a mind colonized by an ideology. This conversation is just an exercise, not an attempt to convince.

Iran is not a friendly neighbor of the Palestinians; they are Shiite Persians and the Palestinians are Sunni Arabs, and the most typical relationship between them is war. The fate of the Palestinians matters to Iran as much as that of the Sudanese: not at all. It's just an ideological tool to strengthen the radical Islamism that Iran promotes.

The Palestinian are just a tool for Iran, to gain influence in the Muslim world. Nothing else, not noble principles that makes the noble ayatollahs fight and sacrifice for the Palestinians against the evil Jews. They need the Jews because without a mortal enemy they are nothing, they have not reason to exist. 

Furthermore, I've asked you many times why Iran never mentions the Chinese colonization of the Uyghurs and its direct attack on Islam. Why can Iran be friends with China but not with Israel? Why does Iran need a mortal enemy?

The communication starts with acknowledging the real facts that have happened. If you can't empathise with the suffering of others, but maybe you can comprehend that if another ethnic group came to the place you live, carpet-bombed all your neiborhoods, killing your family members, friends, and neighbors, and establish their home there, you wouldn't like it. Which is what Israel has been doing to Palestinians for decades. Maybe you could understand that if another country bombed a school in your district full of children, in the middle of negotiations, you wouldn't like it either. You would rise and oppose it like it's normal.