I disagree with the forum

[Terell Kirby]

3 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

 

• Topics that are high quality that don't get much interaction or attention. Then Leo posts - and suddenly users start to contemplate and contribute. Many users won't even contribute unless they see Leo post. Sad.

I’m guilty of this one, but it is what it is. Not everyone knows what they’re talking about- especially when it comes to Awakening. Lots of noise, BS & endless debates on here.

Forum also needs a code of standards for Mods- so regular users hold them accountable. You are one of the good ones Natasha- so keep it up

[Joseph Maynor]

22 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Of course there is no such thing as relative or Absolute. 

I think the relative or Absolute idea is definitely accessible in direct experience.  But it depends on how this duality is clung to in a groupthink way or even in yourself.  I know a lot of people try to say there is no strict duality here because the relative is unreal or an illusion -- I get that line, but I don't think it works.  

[LambdaDelta]

12 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Do you already have writing in your own formatting and you'll need a system for easily porting it over? It's actually funny, I'm solving markdown formatting to HTML as we speak. 

If you're starting from scratch, Obsidian actually isn't a bad idea because they have a "publish" tier, which basically let's you publish your entire vault online and it's all converted to HTML so each note is rendered as a proper HTML page. Probably the simplest. But if you already have a ton of writing you need help programmatically formatting, I could help with that. Just shout. 

And let me know if you want to discuss hosting options. I'm thinking Obsidian Publish would probably suit you very well, as it's a hosting and content management platform in one. The only prerequisite is knowing Markdown, which is simple.

Appreciate the offer, will definitely keep it in mind ❤️. I have drafts here and there but the larger structure is mostly mental for now. The ideal is as open-source and convenient as possible, but not totally noob-proof; preferably I wouldn't even pay for hosting (part cheapness, part not wanting to deal with fake billing as the content may be deemed hella illegal). There can be a primary anon hosting & then a periodic mirroring/change push to BTT/IPFS/Git or some such. 
I enjoy getting my hands dirty with technical complexities of the backend, so long as it doesn't venture into custom Docker containers and whatnot haha. There's tools like this HTML calculator that will be fun to update and rewrite for seamless integration. 
Anyhoo, let's not occupy space in this thread any further, I'll PM you when the ball starts rolling. 

[Ramasta9]

Spiral dynamics too, i feel its very stupid idea and distracting / confusion and only complicates and makes people judge, categorize and label things.

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 hours ago, Ramasta9 said:

Spiral dynamics too, i feel its very stupid idea and distracting / confusion and only complicates and makes people judge, categorize and label things.

I think maybe some of this is because users apply spiral dynamics to individuals. It sort of breaks when you do this. I can see how it applies as a useful frame for collective/societal development. But it gets weaponised here!

@Terell Kirby thanks! I appreciate that. I can appear quite confident and certain with words, but I am constantly returning to how I deal with situations and moderate to reflect and grow. It has been a fantastic growth challenge, and I am really happy to give back in some way. I am harder on myself than anyone. But fair 🙂

Edited 2 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Terell Kirby]

3 minutes ago, Ramasta9 said:

Spiral dynamics too, i feel its very stupid idea and distracting / confusion and only complicates and makes people judge, categorize and label things.

 

Spiral Dynamics is quite foundational. So little people know about these development models and they are missing out on how profound they are.

Only limit with any model is that it’s constructed by humans, so of course one map can’t explain the entire territory of Infinity. But it holds tremendous value for the things it can map out fairly accurately- like with any form of science of the mind.

[Eskilon]

1 hour ago, LambdaDelta said:

Why are you choking down on shrooms when there's 4-AcO-DMT?

I can say that for myself its because where I live most psychs are illegal so I dont want to risk it; the only option is to travel to a place where the laws are more malleable with such substances or take the risk . And there's definetely people out there interested in this in the same situation that I am.

1 hour ago, LambdaDelta said:

people actually this horny?

Yes, there are a lot of people here and in the world that are literally sex machines or with a high libido. You cannot fathom because that is literally non-existent in your experience. Sex and women is wired in most men, so consider yourself winning the lottery for not having even a drop of that in your system and stumbuling upon psychdelics & spirituality. You have a pretty strong combo going on for you lmao. Appreciate the privilege of your situation.

Just like you commented in another thread that your baseline emotions and love aspect is bottom of the barrel or very little, there are people in the world who does not care or cant care about spirituality or philosophy no matter how hard they tried. So in the end is just about genetics, character configuration, karma, biases, whatever you want to call it.

Most people who keep chasing sex and women are not reflecting on their behaviours and are not doing spiritual work at the same time. In short, they are not reflecting on their desires and their attachements for such things and specially they are completely frivolous with the question of what is Death. I myself am and still want to explore sex and women, but this is not an end in itself, it is just a step in my development, I am pretty sure I will get bored of it sooner or later. Just like Buddha got bored and droped his life of abundance of women, fine cloths, good food, status and so on to find out if theres anything more than desiring and dying at the end.

Edited 4 hours ago by Eskilon

[Joseph Maynor]

34 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I think maybe some of this is because users apply spiral dynamics to individuals. It sort of breaks when you do this. I can see how it applies as a useful frame for collective/societal development. But it gets weaponised here!

It's interesting.  I have the opposite take on spiritual dynamics.  I see it applying most accurately to individuals and more leerily to groups.  I've seen others come down on this issue and have the same opinion as you.  I think @Emerald shared the kind of view you have previously as I recall.  

[Ramasta9]

37 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I think maybe some of this is because users apply spiral dynamics to individuals. It sort of breaks when you do this. I can see how it applies as a useful frame for collective/societal development. But it gets weaponised here!

Yeah that's it, it gets weaponized. 

[Joseph Maynor]

2 minutes ago, Ramasta9 said:

Yeah that's it, it gets weaponized. 

I've seen no separate self be weaponized.  All of this can be weaponized.

[LambdaDelta]

1 hour ago, Eskilon said:

I can say that for myself its because where I live most psychs are illegal so I dont want to risk it; the only option is to travel to a place where the laws are more malleable with such substances or take the risk . And there's definetely people out there interested in this in the same situation that I am.

Certainly there are valid exceptions, that was just an example. Then again, if you travel someplace where shrooms are legal/decriminalized, almost surely you could order 4-AcO-DMT and others to there as well. RCs by definition are less regulated, and volume tends to be much lower too, which makes it easier to smuggle; 100mg 4-AcO-DMT is at least equipotent to 5g of powdered shrooms. Then there's LSD which is literally paper, could even replace a couple pages of the Bible with sheets and mail it that way. There are vendors that can consistently get drugs into Saudi Arabia and the like, would make quick work of your country. I was randomly searched at Saudi customs on arrival, those guys mean some serious business. 
Couple additional points on this, but I already went over it elsewhere.

 

1 hour ago, Eskilon said:

Appreciate the privilege of your situation.

I'm definitely enjoying the preset radar chart of my character lol. I don't even mention the biggest advantages as it makes life look laughably unfair. But, as the saying goes, with great power comes great responsibility. 
 

 

1 hour ago, Eskilon said:

Yes, there are a lot of people here and in the world that are literally sex machines or with a high libido. You cannot fathom because that is literally non-existent in your experience.

Knew that to be the case, but still sought reassurance 'cause there's a difference between knowing intellectually, even through mass-scale observation, and knowing experientially. Thanks for confirming! You saying it is not experiential either per se, but it's a "my experience is your experience" type of thing. Same as most of you guys couldn't make sense of my gory hobbies in the other thread. Legit feels so alien even though we all live on the same planet and basically look alike otherwise; I said it before and will say again, the diversity of perspectives is simply marvelous. 

Edited 3 hours ago by LambdaDelta

[YIDIRYIDIR]

I disagree with how serious most people are here, humor is almost absent

[Ramasta9]

29 minutes ago, YIDIRYIDIR said:

I disagree with how serious most people are here, humor is almost absent

This too ! I try but it feels pointless sometimes.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Joseph Maynor @Ramasta9

I think some of the issue with weaponizing of SD is due to users perceiving the stages implying higher/lower development and equating it with intellect or morals. 'Later' gets all confused for 'better'. The sequence of it makes people instinctively rank the system. I understand it to be a value system and not a moral ladder.

No-Self does get weaponized as well. Different axis though.

Overall I think SD should be looked at to predict friction between value systems, help us communicate across stages & recognise our own blind spots. This would be applying the model in an attempt to understand and cooperate. Contrast that to some users leveraging it to divide, condescend or virtue signal morals. 

Just what I see on the forum. ANNNNYWAY! I digress sorry to derail.

[LambdaDelta]

2 minutes ago, Ramasta9 said:

This too ! I try but it feels pointless sometimes.

It ain't pointless if you can laugh at your jokes and at yourself. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

33 minutes ago, YIDIRYIDIR said:

I disagree with how serious most people are here, humor is almost absent

The only time I dislike humour is when there has been offensive stuff take place, and the humour is used to bypass an apology or contrition.

[Joshe]

47 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I think maybe some of this is because users apply spiral dynamics to individuals. It sort of breaks when you do this. I can see how it applies as a useful frame for collective/societal development. But it gets weaponised here!

I agree. As far as I can tell, it is only descriptive of the individual at blue and below. You can peg red and blue individuals all day, but it gets blurry quick when you get into orange. 

Also, some people are literally born "systematizers". That's just how their minds work. And what, these people get shot up the spiral without doing any work? This is a big problem for SD, among many others. 

[Joseph Maynor]

25 minutes ago, LambdaDelta said:

It ain't pointless if you can laugh at your jokes and at yourself. 

The highest form of humor is to laugh together.  This is rare though but possible.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

44 minutes ago, Joshe said:

I agree. As far as I can tell, it is only descriptive of the individual at blue and below. You can peg red and blue individuals all day, but it gets blurry quick when you get into orange. 

Also, some people are literally born "systematizers". That's just how their minds work. And what, these people get shot up the spiral without doing any work? This is a big problem for SD, among many others. 

Damn right on the last point!

[Ramasta9]

1 hour ago, LambdaDelta said:

It ain't pointless if you can laugh at your jokes and at yourself. 

Hehehe I guess but there are others for a reason  the play of pretend  

@Natasha Tori Maru Well said as always, its hard to disagree with you