Why people dont understand Islam and why it is a book of the Angels

[Schahin]

Disclaimer: I am not a Muslim nor a Christian, nor any Religion, I am Love incarnated

 

People dont understand Islam nowadays because they take certains verses, that say for example kill the non-believers and say its evil.

But back in Pre-Islamic Arabia Non-Believers were not Atheists but they were Idol Worshippers and the verses of killing them happened right in the middle of wars were the Muslims were attacked, persecuted and tortured by the Idol-Worshippers who  feared their traditions and their financial interests (the traditional and profitable Sale of Idols in Mecca).

If one carefully reads the surahs, one finds out in what barbaric times Muhammed lived, like Slavery being a common thing, sending feminine Slaves into prostitution and so on. So Islam was revealed to him in order to abolish these things like slavery (slowly) to abolish Idol-Worship or the Worship of Kings  and Rulers like the Pharao, and especially the Pharaos are heavily criticized in Islam due to their arrogance in portraying themselves as God that have to be obeyed and worshipped.

It teaches the human to fast (which was very hard in the dry and hot arabian desert) in order to gain spiritual insights and in order to understand what people without food have to go through.

It taught the people not to accumulate wealth, as wealth has no value, but to donate it to the poor. It taught the people to do good deeds like helping orphans and the poor, freeing the slaves and so on.

It was a time were God was a statue and that Statue could have been sold and given horrible sacrifices to and he established the Oneness of God in all of existence (not as hypocritical Christians think, that there is a muslim God and a Christian God).

So the countless references of Hell are merely a way to frighten the Non-Believer (the Idol Worshippers) and to bring them to change their character and do good deeds with the fear of heel as a bad perspective for them. But if one reads the 99 Names of God in Islam, one will get seriously fascinated.

I believe it was written by Angels because it always talks in the first Person Plural form "We" and it is said that it was revealed to Muhammed by Archangel Gabriel

Edited Monday at 06:40 PM by Schahin

[Breakingthewall]

Sure that was very revolutionary and necessary in its time, same than crucifying rebellious slaves was civilized and necessary in ancient Rome; the problem is whether you still do it now.

[Someone here]

I don't know who you are but obviously you still identify as a Muslim..I'm not saying this is a good or bad thing ..but why bother at all clarifying the widespread misunderstanding and demonisation of Islam if you've broken out of identification with a religion? 

I agree with everything you said btw. All religious scriptures are metaphorical because they talk to the mind .they use language and concepts so they can only speak metaphorically. 

There is this "prison planet " dude on youtube I've been following who's saying the common factor between all religions is to get out of this physical existence because that's the symbolism of hell vs heaven in islam ..and Samsara vs Nirvana in Buddhism. And alike in the Hindu religion moksha and Christian religion the paradise as well. He sounds like a kid who's having problems getting laid or something and he's now projecting this onto the world calling this life in this world a "prison planet ".

 

[James123]

3 hours ago, Schahin said:

Disclaimer: I am not a Muslim nor a Christian, nor any Religion, I am Love incarnated

 

People dont understand Islam nowadays because they take certains verses, that say for example kill the non-believers and say its evil.

But back in Pre-Islamic Arabia Non-Believers were not Atheists but they were Idol Worshippers and the verses of killing them happened right in the middle of wars were the Muslims were attacked, persecuted and tortured by the Idol-Worshippers who  feared their traditions and their financial interests (the traditional and profitable Sale of Idols in Mecca).

If one carefully reads the surahs, one finds out in what barbaric times Muhammed lived, like Slavery being a common thing, sending feminine Slaves into prostitution and so on. So Islam was revealed to him in order to abolish these things like slavery (slowly) to abolish Idol-Worship or the Worship of Kings  and Rulers like the Pharao, and especially the Pharaos are heavily criticized in Islam due to their arrogance in portraying themselves as God that have to be obeyed and worshipped.

It teaches the human to fast (which was very hard in the dry and hot arabian desert) in order to gain spiritual insights and in order to understand what people without food have to go through.

It taught the people not to accumulate wealth, as wealth has no value, but to donate it to the poor. It taught the people to do good deeds like helping orphans and the poor, freeing the slaves and so on.

It was a time were God was a statue and that Statue could have been sold and given horrible sacrifices to and he established the Oneness of God in all of existence (not as hypocritical Christians think, that there is a muslim God and a Christian God).

So the countless references of Hell are merely a way to frighten the Non-Believer (the Idol Worshippers) and to bring them to change their character and do good deeds with the fear of heel as a bad perspective for them. But if one reads the 99 Names of God in Islam, one will get seriously fascinated.

I believe it was written by Angels because it always talks in the first Person Plural form "We" and it is said that it was revealed to Muhammed by Archangel Gabriel

Religion is not being a believer. 

For instance for Islam, religion is surrendering the believer, which is called tawakkul.

[Schahin]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Sure that was very revolutionary and necessary in its time, same than crucifying rebellious slaves was civilized and necessary in ancient Rome; the problem is whether you still do it now.

How is crucifying rebellios slaves necessary at any point? How can a sane person think that that is somehow necessary?

Islam brought exactly the freedom of slaves and forced the people so free their slaves so they have a ticket to heaven instead of maintaining slave traditions, if you read surah 90 or 92 or something like that, it commands the people to free their slaves, how is that the same as what the romans did?

 

I know who you are, you are the one cheering for the palestinian genocide and you keep coming with your hatred of Muslims. And I dont even think that you read my Text at all, because I wrote about the freeing of the slaves and you just talk nonsense.  I dont wish someone who cheers the death of little Children to comment this post.

Edited Monday at 09:30 PM by Schahin

[Schahin]

46 minutes ago, Someone here said:

I don't know who you are but obviously you still identify as a Muslim..I'm not saying this is a good or bad thing ..but why bother at all clarifying the widespread misunderstanding and demonisation of Islam if you've broken out of identification with a religion? 

I agree with everything you said btw. All religious scriptures are metaphorical because they talk to the mind .they use language and concepts so they can only speak metaphorically. 

There is this "prison planet " dude on youtube I've been following who's saying the common factor between all religions is to get out of this physical existence because that's the symbolism of hell vs heaven in islam ..and Samsara vs Nirvana in Buddhism. And alike in the Hindu religion moksha and Christian religion the paradise as well. He sounds like a kid who's having problems getting laid or something and he's now projecting this onto the world calling this life in this world a "prison planet ".

 

 

 

Well I am not a Muslim and never have been, I am Iranian and was brought up by very heavy Atheist parents and my entire family unfortunately. 

I came to Spiritually after two Ayahuasca Sessions and in those sessions I learnt about faith.

Lately I have been watching alot of Near Death Experiences after having read the book of Dr Eben Alexander "Proof of Heaven" (he is a neurosurgeon by the way) He had a very deep journey into what happened for him in a state of Near Death and many others have talked about heaven in those experiences. So I stronlgy believe there is a heaven simply because People nowadays can die and be resurrected due to modern Medicine and they come and talk about it. Their stories are fascinating by the way. 

And as the more I read in the ISlamic Book the more I found about concepts like compassion and Love and that materialism has no value and that we should give money to the poor. 

But I am not religious I am more interested in Plant Spirits

Edited Monday at 09:21 PM by Schahin

[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, Schahin said:

How is crucifying rebellios slaves necessary at any point? How can a sane person think that that is somehow necessary?

Islam brought exactly the freedom of slaves and forced the people so free their slaves so they have a ticket to heaven instead of maintaining slave traditions, if you read surah 90 or 92 or something like that, it commands the people to free their slaves, how is that the same as what the romans did?

It also command amputation of hands and stonning adulterous 

Edited Monday at 09:21 PM by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

11 minutes ago, Schahin said:

know who you are, you are the one cheering for the palestinian genocide and you keep coming with your hatred of Muslims. And I dont even think that you read my Text at all, because I wrote about the freeing of the slaves and you just talk nonsense. I dont wish someone who cheers the death of little Children to comment this post.

I said in that time that Hamas declared a war then a war happened, not that I cheer death of children. Maybe you didn't understand it well. I don't cheer death of anyone, I just tried to understand the situation placing myself in both sides 

[Someone here]

5 minutes ago, Schahin said:

And as the more I read in the ISlamic Book the more I found about concepts like compassion and Love and that materialism has no value and that we should give money to the poor. 

That's basically all of what morality and being good in the world boils down to .

[Schahin]

12 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It also command amputation of hands and stonning adulterous 

As far as I know you are an Indian Nationalist what do you say about Hindusim and its caste system that even Ajurna in the Bhagavad Ghita wrote about how important it is to maintain the Caste System. Is the Baghavad Ghita now in favor of degrading certain human beings and making them untouchable. Id like to know your answer.

 

It doesnt command the stoning of adulterous, thats the Old Testament, the Thora. But it certainly has violent parts, because those times were violent. If violence is part of the daily life, it will certainly enter into written scrptures.  People used to bury their daughters alive in those times, Islam came and abolished this practice. Slaves had no way to become free, Islam came and said that freeing slaves will bring you to heaven.

I dont agree with some parts of it for todays life of course not, but it was a Revolution and still has Concepts of Love and Compassion, Helping the Poor, Freeing the Slaves.

Maybe some ignorant people have added textparts to it over the 1400 years. Nobody knows, what we know is that God is Real and God created various Cultural Traditions Like Islam, the Coming of Jesus Christ, Hinduism and Buddhism. 

If there are components of Compassion, Unity Love Helping the Poor and the Orphans, Fasting, and refraining from wordly materialism you can certainly be sure that there is a higher power behind it.

 

 

Edited Monday at 09:33 PM by Schahin

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Schahin said:

As far as I know you are an Indian Nationalist what do you say about Hindusim and its caste system that even Ajurna in the Bhagavad Ghita wrote about how important it is to maintain the Caste System. Is the Baghavad Ghita now in favor of degrading certain human beings and making them untouchable. Id like to know your answer.

 

It doesnt command the stoning of adulterous, thats the Old Testament, the Thora. But it certainly has violent parts, because those times were violent. If violence is part of the daily life, it will certainly enter into written scrptures.  People used to bury their daughters alive in those times, Islam came and abolished this practice. Slaves had no way to become free, Islam came and said that freeing slaves will bring you to heaven.

I dont agree with some parts of it for todays life of course not, but it was a Revolution and still has Concepts of Love and Compassion, Helping the Poor, Freeing the Slaves.

Maybe some ignorant people have added textparts to it over the 1400 years. Nobody knows, what we know is that God is Real and God created various Cultural Traditions Like Islam, the Coming of Jesus Christ, Hinduism and Buddhism. 

If there are components of Compassion, Unity Love Helping the Poor and the Orphans, Fasting, and refraining from wordly materialism you can certainly be sure that there is a higher power behind it.

 

 

2 hours ago, Schahin said:

 

Im not indian . I think that islam is a religion of exclusion, the term for the non Muslims is kafir that's very negative. Islam in its root is expansion, and it's main tool to convince is fear to hell and promises about a paradise. It glorifies a man, Muhammad, who was a warlord and a pedophile without hiding that fact, and predicates the yihad and allow and even recommend marriages between cousins, what's a huge problem in the Muslim world, producing a lot of genetic diseases and decreasingly of the IQ, around 10 points, in many Muslim countries 

Also I don't agree with forced marriages, submission of women to men and marriage with 9 years old girls thats allowed is Quran and still allowed nowadays in many Muslim countries, where girls are sold by their parents to old men. Also,  rape into marriage is not a crime since the woman is a possession of the husband, who can use her for sex according his will. It's a formal precept in Islam. 

Also I don't agree with the arbitrary prohibitions like making human or animal designs, that castrate art, or eating some foods or drinks. I think that anyone who submitted himself to those prohibitions by fear to hell is not a real man but a puppet easy to manipulate.

I also don't agree with the condemn to homosexuality, translated into jail and death in many countries. Also, it's significant that 80% of terrorist actions are perpetrated by Muslims nowadays. 

In short, I think that it's an ideology of control, mental castration and fear. In my opinion, Muslims should break free of that darkness. 

Edited Monday at 11:42 PM by Breakingthewall

[Joseph Maynor]

I don't see anything wrong wrong with Islam.  Look inside of you for your reason to castigate. 

Edited Monday at 10:48 PM by Joseph Maynor

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Schahin said:

you can certainly be sure that there is a higher power behind it.

I think that it's just a tool of social cohesion and emotional regulation, same that any other religion. Just human matrix. If you believe in a god that transfer to Muhammad the Quran to save humans from hell, well, it's your choice 

[Kid A]

After having spent many years online and hearing so much about how “good” and unproblematic Islam is in itself, I was actually quite surprised when my teacher friends made it very clear that the more religious their Muslim students are, the worse they behave.

[Schahin]

On 24.2.2026 at 8:35 AM, Kid A said:

After having spent many years online and hearing so much about how “good” and unproblematic Islam is in itself, I was actually quite surprised when my teacher friends made it very clear that the more religious their Muslim students are, the worse they behave.

 Of course if you become obsessive about a holy scripture that was written 1400 years ago in a times of barbaric violence and constant tribal warfare and Idol Worship and you apply that scripture  obsessively to a time of peace, Democracy and "apparent" human rights advocation (I say apparent, because those countries that promote human rights are those that commit the worst atrocities in other countries) you can become a monster and an Extremist.

But you have that behaviour with every religion or ideology that could have been something positive. Take the Word of Jesus Christ who said Love your Neighbour and many other beautiful things, how could those word result into a superstitious, maniac Vatican Controlled Medieval Europe where they burn everybody who is against the Vatican alive at stake? Makes no sense but its like that.

 

If you use any scripture that is very old and written in times of barbarity and become obsessive with it, without having reached inner enlightenment, you can become a fool and a monster. But in Islam you have very good people too, and I personally Love the Sufi direction that Islam took, which is the mystical Islam and brought forth people like Rumi and Hafez, just to name two. But nobody should have any obsession with anything outside of themselves.

 

[Schahin]

On 23.2.2026 at 11:41 PM, Breakingthewall said:

Im not indian . I think that islam is a religion of exclusion, the term for the non Muslims is kafir that's very negative. Islam in its root is expansion, and it's main tool to convince is fear to hell and promises about a paradise. It glorifies a man, Muhammad, who was a warlord and a pedophile without hiding that fact, and predicates the yihad and allow and even recommend marriages between cousins, what's a huge problem in the Muslim world, producing a lot of genetic diseases and decreasingly of the IQ, around 10 points, in many Muslim countries 

Also I don't agree with forced marriages, submission of women to men and marriage with 9 years old girls thats allowed is Quran and still allowed nowadays in many Muslim countries, where girls are sold by their parents to old men. Also,  rape into marriage is not a crime since the woman is a possession of the husband, who can use her for sex according his will. It's a formal precept in Islam. 

Also I don't agree with the arbitrary prohibitions like making human or animal designs, that castrate art, or eating some foods or drinks. I think that anyone who submitted himself to those prohibitions by fear to hell is not a real man but a puppet easy to manipulate.

I also don't agree with the condemn to homosexuality, translated into jail and death in many countries. Also, it's significant that 80% of terrorist actions are perpetrated by Muslims nowadays. 

In short, I think that it's an ideology of control, mental castration and fear. In my opinion, Muslims should break free of that darkness. 

 

Man your sick behaviour and attitude towards the horrible Genocide of the Palestinians and your cheerful attitude to their slaughter two years into the genocide has already told me alot about you.

Obviously you hate everything that has to do with Islam, even its people and you like to see them dead. So your opinion doesnt really matter, as you have the blood of 30.000 little Children on your hand, you disqualified in my opinion.

 

And many of those things you stated there are not even true, but again just the fact of how supportive you were towards the death of 30.000 little Muslim Children in another conversation shows me your fucked up ignorance and I know inside of you you wish every muslim to be dead and I wish you dont comment anything I ever post ever.

When you see me posting anything just refrain from commenting, as I will reveal your sick character towards innocent Children and innocent Civilians

Edited 7 hours ago by Schahin

[Breakingthewall]

@Schahin you are so emotional, with so strong adjectives. I didn't support any genocide, as I told you it tried to put myself in the Palestinian pov, then in the israeli pov. When I talked with Palestinian supporters I talked as Israeli supporter, when I talked with Israeli supporter I talked as Palestinian. Just to try to make a perspective about that difficult matter.

Anyway, I exposed some points about Islam. Are they lies? Do you support that the prophet had sex with a 9 years old girl when he was 54 and he had another 3 wifes, for example? Or that making design of human or animal figures will send you to hell. Just those examples. 

Edited 7 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Schahin]

39 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

@Schahin you are so emotional, with so strong adjectives. I didn't support any genocide, as I told you it tried to put myself in the Palestinian pov, then in the israeli pov. When I talked with Palestinian supporters I talked as Israeli supporter, when I talked with Israeli supporter I talked as Palestinian. Just to try to make a perspective about that difficult matter.

Anyway, I exposed some points about Islam. Are they lies? Do you support that the prophet had sex with a 9 years old girl when he was 54 and he had another 3 wifes, for example? Or that making design of human or animal figures will send you to hell. Just those examples. 

 

Marrying young girls was common all over the World not even in Arabia. It was common in Europe, in the Roman Empire, in India it was extremely common, even before the onset of puberty. It was common among humans as it was and is common among animals. We dont want it today because we have a different perspective on such things. But it was extremely common all over the world, dont take that as an argument.

If one day everybody will be Vegetarian, it doesnt mean that todays meat eaters are criminal alltogether, I myself am a Vegetarian, but dont call my Meat eating friends criminals.  You have meat eaters, that do absolutely amazing compassionate work on this planet, allthough they eat what had to be killed before.

Nature created all animals in such way as when they reach sexual maturity they will have intercourse, is it okay for todays humans to do so? Of course not, But it is common all over the animal kingdom and it used to be common all over the planet  Are all Animals pedophiles that need to be imprisoned? 

In the Bhagavad Ghita Ajurna (not Krishna) advocates for the Caste System, a system of degrading people and treating them as cockroaches, nonetheless many people including myself regrad it as holy and from the highter power that manifests the universe. I can look past that Caste System reference put it into the context of the peoples tradition and just focus on the message the book wants to give me And thats what you have to do with Islam, instead of putting yout attention on Mohammed, you should investigate the book in its historical context and reach a conclusion wheter it promotoes Compassion Love and Justice or not and it certainly does.

I am talking about Islam being a revolution in barbaric and violent times. And if you carefully read the Verses having the context, the barbaric times in mind, the stoning, crucification burying newborn girls alive, tribal warfare, Idol Worshipping and Sacrificing Humans to the Idols  , then you can realize that Islam was a revolution teaching the people about Compassion, helping the Poor, helping orphans, Donating Money instead of Accumulating Wealth, Freeing the Slaves. (I think you dont even read this part, because your hatred for Muslims is so deep, you want to see them all dead).

If everybody adhered to these concepts then our World would be totally different today.

And I am not emotional, its because of people like you, that those atrocities  of the Genocide could have happened in the first place. You advocated the Genocide very clearly, its all written down here in the Forum.

Edited 6 hours ago by Schahin

[kavaris]

Do yous guys watch that guy, wats his name w/ the /M/ or rather he says that who he is, Madhi or something?... I dont kno his name, it comes up like hes a wild pokemon like "Madhi has appeared!"

do yous kno who im talkin bout? i believe hes uber popular. i like his stuff, granted hes sortve like, \*One note, like i dont see alot of personality to him, which Americans would prolly be a little weirded out by, but hey, i think thats common for people in life. Like we dont know when weve fallin into our own, monotonous mindsets, nd personalities nd stuff.

note: i looked up his info: Abdullah Hashem Aba al-Sadiq, featured on "The Mahdi Has Appeared YouTube channel", was born on July 27, 1983. As of February 2026, he is 42 years old. He is an Egyptian-American religious leader who founded the Ahmadi Religion of Peace and Light. 

Edited 6 hours ago by kavaris

[YIDIRYIDIR]

Islam is a whole story, a context, not just one thing and one agenda. people cherry pick whatever that suits them. if you understood the full picture, you would come up to the conclusion that it is a mix of social, political, spiritual, and historical context with multiple agendas effecting it.