Looksmaxing is Legit

[AtmanIsBrahman]

Okay, that title was partly shock value… but I do actually kind of mean it. I’m not an incel or redpiller, but I decided to look into looksmaxxing to see if it’s really that bad or if there’s something to it. What I found was that beneath the surface of weird ideology and dangerous techniques, the core is actually very solid.

Basically, attractiveness is objective. That means that humans all more or less find the same things attractive (I’m not saying it’s objective beyond humans). As long as you live in the social world of survival, you will have to deal with other humans— you will judge them and they will judge you. One of the main metrics that matters for survival is your attractiveness. There’s plenty of evidence that attractiveness affects how people are treated. It’s obvious in sexuality, but it also affects every other aspect of life like your career; the evidence is undeniable. Even babies react better to attractive faces.

So the idea of looksmaxxing is that you are taking seriously this aspect of survival and instead of just accepting what the genetic lottery gave you, you decide to take matters into your own hands. For those who don’t know, there is softmaxxing and hardmaxxing. Softmaxxing is doing basic things like exercise, diet, and hygiene, while hardmaxxing involves surgeries or drugs. Everyone knows about softmaxxing, but hardmaxxing is where this becomes interesting. There are things you can do to significantly improve your appearance, like plastic surgery of all kinds and taking testosterone or other drugs. Of course some of these methods are dangerous, but if you go about it safely you can improve your appearance with no downsides.

I think plastic surgery will become much more popular in the next 100 years. People who are ugly will realize they can choose to look good. What’s interesting is that it creates an arms race where everyone is trying to upgrade their beauty to meet the new standard. Also, kids will have to get plastic surgeries because their parents’ genetics won’t be as good as their looks.

This means humanity will become more and more artificial… but we’re already doing that. Contemplate: what is the difference between natural and artificial anyway? . . . A lesson in collapsing dualities.

Now consider this, if you care about survival then looksmaxxing is probably a good idea. Use your own judgment of course, but logically it makes sense to do at least to some extent. And of course this is all pure ego… but have you transcended the ego and don’t care about survival at all? Probably not.

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

30 minutes ago, AtmanIsBrahman said:

Basically, attractiveness is objective.

Some elements, sure - but this simply does not hold true for everyone. 'Beauty is in the eye of the beholder'

You do realise looksmaxing has been around for eons? This is the standard play women have adopted (self imposed or not) forever.

There is nothing new in looksmaxing. 

Personally - I would watch out for the quoted statement turning into an excuse.

Edited yesterday at 05:49 AM by Natasha Tori Maru

[AtmanIsBrahman]

6 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

this simply does not hold true for everyone. 'Beauty is in the eye of the beholder'

I don’t think this true. People agree on most things. There can be some preferences, but they’re insignificant compared to the objective metrics.

Looksmaxxing is new in the sense that technology is advancing and it’s possible to make bigger changes to appearance

[AtmanIsBrahman]

Looksmaxxing is interesting to look at as an example of survival. Why do people looksmax? Survival. Why are people against looksmaxxing? Survival.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

56 minutes ago, AtmanIsBrahman said:

I don’t think this true. People agree on most things. There can be some preferences, but they’re insignificant compared to the objective metrics.

Looksmaxxing is new in the sense that technology is advancing and it’s possible to make bigger changes to appearance

It is something you will learn, I assure you. 

How old are you?

Looksmaxing is not new 🤣🤣🤣🤣 technology doesn't change vanity as a concept. Just introduces new tools. It's rebranding to sell you some more shit. To sell you some more 'lack' so you don't feel whole. That's the 'technology'.

Edited yesterday at 06:55 AM by Natasha Tori Maru

[ricachica]

I’m someone who has had a drastic change in looks that wasn’t really finalized until senior year of high school. I had a severe overbite and wore braces 7th-8th grade and a retainer 24/7 until senior year. My self esteem looks-wise took its biggest hit all of 6th grade when my overbite was more pointed out by other peers for the first time and before I got braces. On top of this, my mother did not let me wear make up at all until senior year as well, which was very unusual for my peer group at least. I got my first boyfriend senior year as a result you could say…sparse attention from boys before then, at least compared to my friends at the time.

Since then and until now, I get constant attention from just my looks alone if I go out anywhere. The first couple of years I did not know what to do with it at all, and the new attention was distracting but welcome for that first semester in college. I have definitely understood I am attractive in the typical objective sense now, and I even admire it in myself a bit vainly, but my GOD it took so long to embody that after all of my childhood and teenage years spent in constant turmoil over my appearance. There was no escaping it, especially because it was my face, and I just spent so much of my class time just being hyperaware of it and it would distract me from class or serious things I could focus on instead. It was pure anguish. Lots of times just spent in the mirror looking at myself and declaring myself ugly. It has been more than a decade since then, but I feel that familiar low self esteem sometimes if my mood is very shot down, not often at all thankfully anymore though. 
 

Yes, looks are important.

[AtmanIsBrahman]

16 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

technology doesn't change vanity as a concept. Just introduces new tools. It's rebranding to sell you some more shit. To sell you some more 'lack' so you don't feel whole.

Sure, I agree. But we’re not on the spiritual part of the forum.

As long as you care about survival, attractiveness does matter. That’s something you can choose to deny or not. 

[Lyubov]

Twitch tv viewers finding out that losing weight, getting in shape, being well kept and wearing something other than rags for clothes improves their overall chances with women  This whole trend literally started on a video game streaming site….

[Recursoinominado]

It is legit to a point. Strategically, in life, it makes sense to aim to maximize your looks with reasonable limits.

A good haircut, style, cool tattoos maybe, good shape, built by workingout at the gym, low body-fat percentage, nice white teeth, maybe a few tweaks in your face with some aesthetic procedures to improve facial structure etc.

It's great for survival; it makes your life easier for sure, but it shouldn't be turned into a neurotic worry. 

I myself was fat until i was 17 and then i started to go to the gym, did a "looksmaxing" version for broke teenagers and got into great shape, my face also improved, and from then on, my life improved exponentially. People treated me a lot differently.

[oOo]

Surrogates, 2009. 

At lesser degrees of integration, it becomes too fragmenting for the psyche to actually see itself accurately. It only views the world (aka unhealthy mainstream views) that has absorbed the very psyche it relies on to see itself clearly. As it is impossible to view anything outside of what was has been trained to see, like all of one’s flaws, or the flaws of a potential someone, more than where integration of the mind meets unity with another. That is maturity thereabouts, and where society by comparison is the smoke in the mirror itself, which ruins what otherwise could have been amazing relationships. In this frame, relationship compatibility thresholds have been devastated in society, as the minimal breakage point of the bridge that normally connects between people has been lowered significantly. Choose your company with care and wisdom.

Otherwise, I recommend watching the film. Followed by the film Arrival 2016, purely for contrast.

Edited 20 hours ago by oOo

[Natasha Tori Maru]

15 hours ago, AtmanIsBrahman said:

As long as you care about survival, attractiveness does matter. That’s something you can choose to deny or not. 

No where did I make a claim to any opinion regarding this. I did not say attractiveness does not matter.

I don't really understand your point, unless this is some sort of new insight for you?

[AtmanIsBrahman]

11 hours ago, Recursoinominado said:

It's great for survival; it makes your life easier for sure, but it shouldn't be turned into a neurotic worry. 

Agreed

[AtmanIsBrahman]

@oOo Can you rephrase that differently? Not sure what you’re trying to say.

[Heaven]

It is an aspect that quite easy to improve and really important for survival. It is highly over looked by “mentor”

[Joshe]

There's nothing wrong with it but to take it too seriously isn't a good idea IMO.

I wouldn't mess around with plastic surgery or injections. You end looking like a fuckable 50 year old lizard (Bill Burr joke). Everyone ends up looking the same, stretched out puffy faces. It's sad to see.

Maybe get your ears pinned back if they stick out too much. Hair transplant. These are fine, but I wouldn't mess with the face too much. 

Maintaining a tan can do a lot, but then you gotta worry about skin cancer and leather skin as you age. Putting lots of energy into what you're going to wear, what color accessories you should buy, what shoes to wear - it's just all too much work and not enough pay off. The older you get, the more precious your energy becomes, and ain't nobody got time to be matching outfits. 

Commiting to and maintaining a project all about managing other people's perceptions probably isn't a good idea long-term. Your comfort and resources are more important than managing expectations. You have to manage some, but habitual looksmaxing is not the right balance. 

If your body and attire are clean and you're not overweight and pasty, and you keep up basic hygiene, good enough.

I've always kinda pitied women for basically being forced to live this way. 

[LordFall]

I think beauty and aesthetics are an important aspect of life. Both genders have more to offer than their looks and need to bring more then that to be a high quality partner(especially men) but it's definitely important. 

If you're a man then status, networking and wealth will do infinitely more for you than being good looking. I've tried myself and I'm a pretty good looking guy and it helps to get attraction but I hit a major roadblock. Was way more successful in dating when I was living with a club promoter and being in a social circle that had a culture of casual sex.