What's the Difference Between Consciousness and Intelligence?

[Inliytened1]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

If if has an ability it should have a goal right? Then it has some concrete ideas about what it wants to produce. Where are those ideas? Are those ideas the source, prior of that god? Or maybe those ideas are a part of god, then they are the reality, then why that god wants to create a dream, if he already has those ideas about what he wants, that are more real than the reality?  Because he's bored, or there is nothing else to do? Like a game. So that God is an entity who's bored ? Then, what has created that entity? 

Its a Mind it isn't science's definition that it is dumb atoms.  It is a Mind with a will.   But it is a selfless Will. It is only bored through you, through human incarnate.  What created the Mind? Its Infinite so again eternal.  Its all there is.  Its existence itself.  But it isn't a dumb clockwork universe.  That's what science doesnt yet understand.  

Edited 12 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Eskilon said:

I guess the final answer is that our ego is absolutely inevitable. God didn't choose this in a particular sense, it just need to happen no matter what.

Every finitude must exist exactly as it is. Another way of saying is that God cant prevent itself from being limited.

We can look at it as a limitation of God not being able to prevent it or we can look at it as God actualizing its own Infinitiy - via finitiude. I guess it means at some point you will experience what it is to be your own mother. Or maybe God will go on to be other universes and you will never get to be her.

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[Inliytened1]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

If you were the absolute creator you would be the limit of the unlimited. Just an impossiblity. Ultimately you are the unlimited, the absolute being in a form, like anything else. Locally you are a creation of the synchronicity of the cosmos and a local creator of the synchronicity of the cosmos. I'm not talking about "awakenings" , just about logic. It's the only possibility possible. 

I don't think he meant the ego. I think he meant the Consciousness underneath.  

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[Joseph Maynor]

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

If you were the absolute creator you would be the limit of the unlimited. Just an impossiblity. Ultimately you are the unlimited, the absolute being in a form, like anything else. Locally you are a creation of the synchronicity of the cosmos and a local creator of the synchronicity of the cosmos. I'm not talking about "awakenings" , just about logic. It's the only possibility possible. 

If there were no finite, how could the Creator create in space and time?

[Leo Gura]

The finite IS the Infinite. God IS its Creation.

Finite = Infinite.

That is the final duality to unify.

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The finite IS the Infinite. God IS its Creation.

Finite = Infinite.

That is the final duality to unify.

Yes. Excellent. 

[LambdaDelta]

On 2/9/2026 at 7:11 AM, Joshe said:

I'm confused by the word "infinite". The most charitable read I can come up with is people mean there is a state of being that you realize is itself infinitely perfect/intelligent and that thing is you, but you don't actually have access to functional infinite intelligence. Is that it? 

Sounds about right, albeit with a caveat. Loosely speaking, if one were to reach the very apex/bedrock of consciousness, they'd realize that there's nothing you should, would, or even could change about reality, as it is already perfect. Hence everything remains largely the same regardless of how deeply anyone awakens. However, the proper way this realization takes place is through logically parsing the entire structure of reality and evaluating every possibility, which requires infinite intelligence (or imagination, they're the same thing). Otherwise you sort of take perfection and other qualities on faith, which subtly implies treating God as something other than and/or above yourself. Being able to effortlessly do whatever you want strips you of all desire to do anything (a form of ego death, in a way). Seems like a cop-out, but that's how it goes. 
 

On 2/9/2026 at 7:11 AM, Joshe said:

Or is the claim literally that one's own intelligence is functionally infinite in that moment? I mean, this question sounds so absurd I feel stupid for asking it, lol. Surely that's not it, right?

Such claims are usually mistaken, or more precisely, come from misinterpreting the experience. If someone could just take some LSD and easily solve the Collatz conjecture, that'd break the consistency of the dream too radically, and we can't have that. Or maybe they could find the solution, or get to know for sure that no solution exists, but then be unable to prove it due to various constraints that take precedence over their egoic needs and mankind itself. If there really were a select few humans across history that could perform actual miracles, like Jesus, it's because God sprinkled them in as hints/examples, and they already were selfless enough to be trusted with such a power; even then, it's still a highly localized phenomenon that doesn't change much in the grand scheme of things. What is functionally possible is using LSD or some other method to access infinite intelligence, harvest insights, and enact practical change in the world, within the bounds of the ultimate structure. PCR was invented that way.