If you are introverted, you need less status and money to have a happy life

[Joseph Maynor]

10 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

They are all necessary for survival but health is first- then finances, then relationships.  The ego often ignores health and goes for power and relations often comes with power.  You can't be isolated and have power.  You have to rule over someone.

Relationships can come from friendship not power necessarily.

[Joseph Maynor]

23 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

They are all necessary for survival but health is first- then finances, then relationships.  The ego often ignores health and goes for power and relations often comes with power.  You can't be isolated and have power.  You have to rule over someone.

I disagree with this.  I think the ego ignores relationships due to selfishness and focuses on health and finances deficits being a result of lack of social support or social alignment, and then blames others for not having more social or relationship abundance.  Anyway, we may disagree here and I'm fine with it.  Good to have a contrary point of view to consider.

[Inliytened1]

15 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Relationships can come from friendship not power necessarily.

Everyone needs something.  Just keep that in mind.  That is the OP's point i think. 

[Joseph Maynor]

30 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Everyone needs something.  Just keep that in mind.  That is the OP's point i think. 

The OP's question is how much socialization do I need?  

[Inliytened1]

17 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

The OP's question is how much socialization do I need?  

Right so the question is do people socialize for an egoic gain or do they just do it.   In ALL cases it's has egoic gain in some way.  Even if its just to not be alone. Nothing wrong with that but you can see where it can lead.  

Edited Saturday at 06:38 AM by Inliytened1

[Joseph Maynor]

6 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Right so the question is do people socialize for an egoic gain or do they just do it.   In ALL cases it's has egoic gain in some way.  Even if its just to not be alone. Nothing wrong with that but you can see where it can lead.  

That's the question.  And IMO this is why getting clear on what friendship means is so crucial.  When there's no friendship (or a false pretense of one on either side) -- exploitation can happen.  Most of us have no idea what friendship means, and so we default to living alone and paranoid and unhappy with our current relationships.

[Inliytened1]

9 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

That's the question.  And IMO this is why getting clear on what friendship means is so crucial.  When there's no friendship (or a false pretense of one on either side) -- exploitation can happen.  Most of us have no idea what friendship means, and so we default to living alone and paranoid and unhappy with our current relationships.

Yes.  True friendship is actually invaluable.  Invaluable.  Because it takes both parties wanting nothing more than the love for one another.

That's friendship and its hard to come by. 

[Eskilon]

10 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Does this mean the wiser play the game less?  

Hmm, that's a good question. 

I think the wiser plays the game with more intensity because he tends to be more aware and involved in the things he does. 

But also, he enjoys simply being too. 

The wiser enjoys the game more because he tends to suffer way less. Even though the path to wisdom involves a lot of suffering.

Edited Saturday at 03:54 PM by Eskilon

[Eskilon]

9 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

 In ALL cases it's has egoic gain in some way.  Even if its just to not be alone. Nothing wrong with that but you can see where it can lead.  

Yes, pretty much all socialization is based on egoic gain in my view. There's moments where true socialization happen when you are just there with no apparent reason but those moments are rare and usually the person must be really mature and lived.

Edited Saturday at 03:58 PM by Eskilon

[Eskilon]

@Joseph Maynor The order of priority in life is like this: First Health, then finances, then relationships.

Self first, others second.

Edited Saturday at 04:04 PM by Eskilon

[Joseph Maynor]

On 2/7/2026 at 8:03 AM, Eskilon said:

@Joseph Maynor The order of priority in life is like this: First Health, then finances, then relationships.

Self first, others second.

This is what is conventionally thought, yes.  

[Inliytened1]

2 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

This is what is conventionally thought, yes.  

I think you brought up a good point.   Friendship shouldn't be completely lost as a possibility just because all of us are selfish.  Selflessness still is possible and thus friendship is still possible. But its rare. 

[hyruga]

Well, if you only spend money on social situations, then yes extroverts spend more than introverts.

However, introverts can also have dreams and want to spend on electronic gadgets, housings, cars, travels and businesses. And these spendings are usually way more than what you spend on social situations (dinners etc) most of the time.

[oOo]

On 6/2/2026 at 11:06 AM, Eskilon said:

Haven't you noticed that people that enjoy loads of money are usually social and status zombies? Their whole game is: impressing others, chasing titles and going places; and of course this needs loads of money to maintain.

I think it’s excellent you’re asking such questions thats point number one. Reflection can come just as easily as it can go depending on one’s environments influences and changes in states of consciousness overtime. This makes reflection, in part, better to be thought of as a value more than a personality characteristic, it also puts a fork in the road for people that feel that reflection isn’t an intrinsic part of who they are. By turning it into a value, it becomes something that one covets and grows over taking for granted snd getting too much of a big head. Moreover, thinking of x as an intrinsic part of who we are, especially when we’re taking it for granted in the absence of acting on that part of ourselves, is actually just the self’s ego projection. This kind of self-referentiality is not who we actually are, and therefore it is best to be seen as an instrument of self-actualisation rather than purely what we think about ourselves and life which can grow and change overtime, and often, gets completely misused (i.e. political, religious, institutional alliances).

https://www.forbes.com/billionaires/

So there’s some extroverts in there, however by nature I would say most are introverts. Where I would place the contradiction as a reflection, is environmental influences weigh massively in terms of where someone’s values lay. Personality can also change based on values in a way that reveals pre-existing tendencies and how those tendencies for the simple fact that different cells are multiplying within the system. This turns the question of what to do with our time on its head, where “Which cells do I want to multiply within myself?” Actually becomes not just a geeky question; Dispenza and someone whom others may be less familiar with, Harvard professor Dr. Ellen Lenger.

I am more of an ambivert relative to my present chemistry, some would view me as extremely introverted to those that know me less, however I view my nervous system leaning towards extrovert at this time of my life. I am very much like my father in this regard. He had many periods in his life where he was extremely extroverted based on different pressures, as he was also so business orientated (environmental influence), however he could just as easily occupy himself alone, and as my father got older he became a comfortable introvert with his wife (together for over two decades, she from Beijing, lovely woman, had a massive positive influence on my upbringing). I am very money driven, however it is for various motivations, I am not a materialistic person however I want freedom, and I strive for freedom in every aspect of my life. Existential decisions I would say play the biggest part for some peoples lives concerning some of these characteristics you mentioned more than introvert and extrovert. 

Can you think of any ways your mind would be changed to instead value these things you have so far shown you prefer to reject? What are positives that come with more money that you would genuinely value, especially in areas where you only dont value those things as much due to negative experiences?

Personally I love being extroverted becsuse it offers me such a massive range of experiences to reflect on, moreover when I can share those experiences with other creative people I get boundless opportunities to have fascinating conversations that move me emotionally and cognitively. 

Evaluation I would argue, in light of the fact that our personality can change overtime and values can change our personality with environmental influences being a pressure point for both, should question automatic inclinations and allow creative perspectives to enter into the reasoning choice on chosen values. Often it’s a very healthy process that can in return force the integration of alternate internal experiences we were not previously aware of. It is important to recognise as well, that any inclination change towards money, shouldn’t be justified by the change in preference itself if it’s driven instinctually. It’s the instinct thats being questioned, while at the same time you wanna finish by encoding instinctually so that it turns into a healthy motivation that doesn’t need to be thought about nearly as much the more it is practiced. That’s true freedom, and that’s what I go for.

Best wishes.

[Leo Gura]

Keep in mind that many billionaires and business tycoons are introverts. And they love money and success.

Introverts are good at working hard behind the scenes rather than playing social games.

Edited yesterday at 03:12 AM by Leo Gura

[Hardkill]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Keep in mind that many billionaires and business tycoons are introverts. And they love money and success.

Introverts are good at working hard behind the scenes rather than playing social games.

Yeah, and a number of successful politicians are introverts too.

Barack Obama is fundamentally an introvert even though he presents himself as being highly introverted in public settings, other big events, and interviews.

Edited yesterday at 03:17 AM by Hardkill

[LordFall]

I'm highly introverted and care a lot about status and money. A lot less recently these past few months as I've been using generative AI to do some worldbuilding and create my own anime/video game. I now realized I can create an alternative to the real world if need be or even more beautiful is create mix that enhances both. Really looking forward to creating my own cryptocurrency and blockchain so that my fantasy characters in my world actually interact with our own world. I believe the first provable parallel universes will come from VR/crypto.

I don't get why most people are not more obsessed with status and wealth. It's obviously not the whole picture and you need to do it from a state of development but most of the issues of scarcity that you have in life are due to your lack of status and wealth. The whole reason leftists/liberals dislike the state of the US government is because they're not powerful enough to change it, don't have enough resources to have a deeper impact and don't have the status to influence important people.

How can anyone credibly argue that status and wealth are not some of the top values to have? I know the importance of truth and love being on top of those but if anybody doesn't have those in their top 10 they're bound to have not that much impact on their own life let alone have NO impact at all whatsoever to their greater city and country and our civilization.

Why choose to not be able to have an impact? 

Edited 21 hours ago by LordFall

[Eskilon]

8 hours ago, LordFall said:

Why choose to not be able to have an impact? 

Because Death exists. All impact is ultimately meaningless.

The point of life is to enjoy whatever you enjoy doing, wheter you enjoy having an impact on humanity or not is irrelevant. Do whatever you enjoy doing is what matters. Some people want a lot of money and status and thats okay, but others do not. No one option is superior than the other because Death exist. Whatever your impact is it wont persist because everything changes, so dont kid yourself thinking youre too important or more important than others because you choose to be a CEO or something.

Do whatever you enjoy. Life is a play, nothing is really important as people tell you.

Edited 12 hours ago by Eskilon

[LordFall]

2 hours ago, Eskilon said:

Because Death exists. All impact is ultimately meaningless.

The point of life is to enjoy whatever you enjoy doing, wheter you enjoy having an impact on humanity or not is irrelevant. Do whatever you enjoy doing is what matters. Some people want a lot of money and status and thats okay, but others do not. No one option is superior than the other because Death exist. Whatever your impact is it wont persist because everything changes, so dont kid yourself thinking youre too important or more important than others because you choose to be a CEO or something.

Do whatever you enjoy. Life is a play, nothing is really important as people tell you.

Sounds delusional and nihilistic to me. If you choose to avoid responsibility that's on you but I'd argue it's not morally justifiable and makes you a lesser being.