Anyone had Kensho (Zen) type of realization on psychedelics?

[Recursoinominado]

31 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Psychedelics do not raise baseline, with rare exceptions.

In my experience, they do raise baseline consciousness, but it's not permanent if the person stops there, doesn't continue the work, doesn't do spiritual practices, or uses psychedelics ever again. I guess it also depends on previous work and if the person has insights or not (i had powerful insights, but i guess many people don't).

I had my spiritual awakening due to psychedelics, i already meditated, but they opened me up in a way that meditation didn't, i guess you can say i had a kundalini awakening, and i became way more intuitive, sensitive, and conscious in general afterwards. Of course i had many experiences with psychedelics afterward that kept raising my consciousness and i did spiritual practices (although not really seriously). 

[LoneWonderer]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Psychedelics do not raise baseline, with rare exceptions.

@Leo Gura What do you mean by rare exceptions? Genetics? Thank you

[AmIEvenReal]

9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Psychedelics do not raise baseline, with rare exceptions.

even when you hit kensho repeatedly and can see your mind reboot back to duality?

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, LoneWonderer said:

@Leo Gura What do you mean by rare exceptions? Genetics? Thank you

Some people have permanent state changes. Martin Ball claims to be one.

1 hour ago, AmIEvenReal said:

even when you hit kensho repeatedly and can see your mind reboot back to duality?

The baseline state returns to normal, however your mind is permanently changed, so you don't see reality the same way even when you aren't high.

There are permanent changes, but they are not to state per se.

State is important but it's not the only important factor in this work.

I am not high right now, but I relate to my present experience as God. I don't need to be high to recognize God all around me.

Edited 4 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Raze]

It is extremely rare to have a permanent enlightenment from psychedelics. Don’t bother pursuing it through these means. 

[bazera]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I am not high right now, but I relate to my present experience as God. I don't need to be high to recognize God all around me.

@Leo Gura

Did you become this way after hundreds of trips or was couple God Realization trips enough for you to recognize God sober?

[Oppositionless]

1 hour ago, Raze said:

It is extremely rare to have a permanent enlightenment from psychedelics. Don’t bother pursuing it through these means. 

I know of two . Martin Ball and David Carse. But then again permanent enlightenment in general is also quite rare, I don't think 10% of spiritual teachers are really enlightened.