The Relationship Between the Human and Absolute

[AtmanIsBrahman]

In contemplating, I find that one of the most fundamental questions— and one largely ignored by actualized.org— is the relationship between the human and the absolute. 

Now I know what you’re going to say: “They’re the same. You are God!” 

But I think that’s missing the mark. First of all, are you directly conscious of that? If not, then don’t parrot it. If you are, still hear me out on this.

Basically, you are a human and will be for the entirety of this life. You may realize God, but at the end of the day you still have to deal with survival and all kinds of human limitations.

Isn’t it strange that God decided to have two arms, two legs, and a human face? I think this fact isn’t addressed by the realization that you are God. Sure, you are God, but why is God— at least for now— incarnated as a human?

I’m interested if anyone has an answer to this problem. Until it’s resolved, God-realization isn’t complete omniscience, isn’t a complete understanding of everything.

@Leo Gura

[CARDOZZO]

The problem is that Actualized.org is Leo's mind on a evolution cycle.

His teachings became advanced to the point of extreme abstraction. 

We see here on the forum the lack of basic normie self-help. People just parrot "God this, God that, Alien this, Alien that" but they are living in their parents home.

This is not Leo's fault. It is just evolution.

People need to wake up. Back to the basics.

Agree 100% w/ yourself.

[CARDOZZO]

Make a survey on Actualized.org forum members. The majority of them want to skip SD's stage orange.

This is sad to say. I think 90% of us are broke, financially unstable, spiritual bypassers, full of illusions, fantasies and delusions.

The worst part is that they despise sex, money and career.

Just to clarify: it is not a personal attack on Actualized.org, Leo or forum members.

This is a wake up call. If this is true, we have to work to master survival.

Enlightenment, God, Psychedelics - They can wait 20 years.

[Hojo]

I think its an infinetly layered book. You the book are asking why am I on this chapter? You could go back or forward it would just be very scary to the human layer. If you cared to know youd just do it, instead of asking. You can take layers off right now and know. The human is a chapter not the book, the chapters are infinite. Chapters are subjective qualia, narration is a qualia.

If you were playing mario party its like asking, why am I playing this mini game?

Edited 7 hours ago by Hojo

[Joseph Maynor]

22 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

Back to the basics.

This is what I’m currently doing.  But a lot of spiritual people seem to think they’re above self-help.  Even calling it basic self-help kinda minimizes it.  Nothing basic about taking hard actions and holding yourself accountable.  

[CARDOZZO]

2 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

This is what I’m currently doing.  But a lot of spiritual people seem to think they’re above self-help.  Even calling it basic self-help kinda minimizes it.  Nothing basic about taking hard actions and holding yourself accountable.  

I'm doing it too. I already have a lot of experience on the dating aspects.

I meditate, run, sleep 6h/8h, daily reading, 2L/3L water/day, stretch, writing down insights.

I need to clean my diet. I need to make more money. I need to hit the gym. I want to build a family, 2 children, dogs, cats and a lovable wife.

Tons of action to take.

[Oppositionless]

I spent like 10 years doing metaphysics all day every day because I couldn't stand uncertainty, so trying to develop a healthier relationship with that has been important for me, and it carries over in the rest of my life.

[Joseph Maynor]

41 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

I'm doing it too. I already have a lot of experience on the dating aspects.

I meditate, run, sleep 6h/8h, daily reading, 2L/3L water/day, stretch, writing down insights.

I need to clean my diet. I need to make more money. I need to hit the gym. I want to build a family, 2 children, dogs, cats and a lovable wife.

Tons of action to take.

Yes and people seem to miss the idea that these things take planning and doing.  It doesn't just happen automatically.  Somehow the doer is seen as an error by people in spirituality.  Like there's something wrong with doing what you're suggesting -- there is not.  There is no dichotomy between self-help and spirituality.  I can't tell you how many debates I've gotten into with spiritual people telling me it's ego to want to design a life and make it happen.

[AtmanIsBrahman]

Some of you guys misinterpreted what I was saying a little bit. I wasn’t saying to go do self-help and forget about spirituality. I don’t have anything against self-help, but I’m talking about serious spirituality here.

I was making a point about a metaphysical gap in actualized.org teachings. God exists, sure, but for now we’re stuck in the human realm. So the question becomes, why are we stuck in being a human? Also, how can we best navigate the human to be as god-like as possible?

[Joseph Maynor]

2 minutes ago, AtmanIsBrahman said:

Some of you guys misinterpreted what I was saying a little bit. I wasn’t saying to go do self-help and forget about spirituality. I don’t have anything against self-help, but I’m talking about serious spirituality here.

I was making a point about a metaphysical gap in actualized.org teachings. God exists, sure, but for now we’re stuck in the human realm. So the question becomes, why are we stuck in being a human? Also, how can we best navigate the human to be as god-like as possible?

Be a Creator instead of a doer.  This is not stuck in the human realm.  This is Manifesting from the Divine through Beauty or Creativity.  

[AtmanIsBrahman]

2 hours ago, Hojo said:

If you cared to know youd just do it, instead of asking. You can take layers off right now and know

I do care to know. But I’m not sure how possible taking off layers is (besides physical death). Psychedelics only do it for a time. Mostly you’re living as a human.

 

[AtmanIsBrahman]

2 hours ago, Hojo said:

If you were playing mario party its like asking, why am I playing this mini game?

But why are you playing the mini game?

[LastThursday]

To sort reiterate what @Hojo said, everything is coherent and hangs together (as a human) but it's completely arbitrary. Having two arms and legs and a head is completely random and not related to anything absolute. You could have been some other entity and be asking the exact same question.

You could argue that there is something absolute about us, but it is definitely not our form or way of being.