Leo can't fix you because you are Neurodivergent

[Joshe]

3 hours ago, theleelajoker said:

You seem that point as trivial. I say read the books I mentioned. I say look at your last 1,5, 10 years of your life. Check all your mental models. How many of them have changed? How you think you'll look back at this ND discussion and your current model of "people" in 3,6, 12 months?

They change all the time. For example, ND was just added about 3 months ago and it had significant impact on several of my existing models, which I’m still integrating. And ND isn’t so much about “people” as it is about “myself”. To use the knowledge to label other people is not the point and is a wrong use of it. The point is to see yourself more clearly. To answer questions you've never been able to answer and have just swept under the rug. 

The proper use of it is to see what it offers, integrate the truth, and then drop it. Once the truth is integrated, you don’t need the model much anymore. And the integration does not necessitate egoic labels of hierarchy or specialness. It involves a strong felt sense of self-acceptance and self-love, as well as forgiveness for yourself and the world. Once you experience that integration, the work is done and you need not go about life with the idea that you’re ND - you are just what you are, but with more self-acceptance and self-love. This is a healthy thing - good for the spirit, not bad for it. 

I’m guessing your version of spirituality values healing, self-acceptance, and self-love. If so, what seems to be the problem with this? I think all the naysayers are projecting how they themselves relate to such labels - afraid that if they try them on, they won’t be able to take them off. Idk. That, or it somehow threatens their preferred spiritual methods - because what is being discussed is a legitimate spiritual technology when you get down to it. The resistance is interesting. I would have thought this community would be more open-minded. 

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[Joshe]

1 hour ago, Lyubov said:

Have you ever considered maybe as a unique creation of god you are meant to be different and there is joy and uniqueness in your own strengths and weaknesses instead of trying to conform to what you think is right or "fixed"? 
 

This is exactly the point of all this ND talk. It’s about liberation. Deep acceptance and forgiveness. Breaking the chains that you don’t even know bind you. 

[theleelajoker]

@Joshe

You do you. 

Don't see that further input form my side is constructive.

 

[integration journey]

Besides the point but Who the f** is that being/ creature on OP’s avatar guys? 
 

[Hojo]

I saw a video by sadhguru and he described someone with severe autism as 'sitting this one out'. My interpretation is the soul refused to participate and its only like 5 percent in the body.

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[Joshe]

7 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

Don't see that further input form my side is constructive.

Very professional. You seeking a mod role? Lol. Cheers buddy 

[integration journey]

7 minutes ago, Hojo said:

I saw a video by sadhguru and he described someone with severe autism as 'sitting this one out'. My interpretation is the soul refused to participate and its only like 5 percent in the body.

what about ADD?

[Carl-Richard]

Anybody want to take this test? It's supposed to diagnose autism:

https://embrace-autism.com/reading-the-mind-in-the-eyes-test/

I remember I scored 34/36 the first time I took it (higher score indicates less autism). So that would mean I'm supremely not-autistic. But you could say I'm neurodivergent, because it's way outside the normal range (the range in a sample of n = 19 neurotypicals was 23-30).

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[Hojo]

@Carl-RichardI got 18, test seems dumb what does autism have to do with eyes. If there are no people around are you still autistic.Philosophically maybe not. How can they guarantee the actors or faces are making the right expressions?

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[Hojo]

@integration journeyHe says all those other diagnoses are BS.

[Carl-Richard]

2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Carl-RichardI got 18, test seems dumb what does autism have to do with eyes. If there are no people around are you still autistic.Philosophically maybe not.

I thought you were more schizo than autistic :,(

Autistics seem to use rules for determining emotional expression, non-autistics seem to use vibes. Vibes seem to be more efficient and more accurate when you only have the eyes to go by (the test is apparently time sensitive; I did not know that the first time I took the test).

[Hojo]

Heres a better autism test, are you compelled to think about sonic the hedgehog in your adult life?

Yes
No

Yes, you have autism.

[Hojo]

@Carl-RichardI have every mental illness and conquered them all. That means living peacefully with them.

Also I dont think an autistic person would know what half those words mean in the test. They are highly specific.

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[Natasha Tori Maru]

How come we cannot accept ourselves without a label/concept/idea ?

Perhaps we look too much to society to tell us what is right, rather than within.

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[Natasha Tori Maru]

I suppose the thread title is also a misnomer - no one needs to be fixed. No one is broken.

We are all valid as we are, without having to prove it, fit in. Or show worth...

[theleelajoker]

3 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

How come we cannot accept ourselves without a label/concept/idea ?

Perhaps we look too much to society to tell us what is right, rather than within.

I tried making this point in various posts, but failed miserably to communicate that idea in an appropriate way 🙈

I would like to extent it and say "how come we cannot experience and enjoy reality without constant need for label/concept idea"?

But I get the impression that this message appears like blasphemy to quite a few in this forum🤷‍♀️

[Carl-Richard]

17 minutes ago, Hojo said:

Heres a better autism test, are you compelled to think about sonic the hedgehog in your adult life?

Yes
No

Yes, you have autism.

This is a better autism test: do you write a blog about emojis?: https://blog.emojipedia.org/

Yes
No

Yes, you have autism.

(I'm not making fun of the guys, I love autism).

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[theleelajoker]

44 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Very professional. You seeking a mod role? Lol. Cheers buddy 

Ok last one for you

(from other meme thread, slightly changed)

Edited 5 hours ago by theleelajoker

[Joshe]

18 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

How come we cannot accept ourselves without a label? 

Perhaps we look too much to society to tell us what is right, rather than within.

It’s not about a label. It’s not to say “I’m ND”. That would be childish. “ND” is a blanket term pointing to a shit ton of stuff. That stuff is personal attributes that we are in negative relation to but unconscious of. Nearly all autistic people who are not aware that they are autistic have deep shadows behind their unconscious autism. They don’t even know the shadows are there and they likely never will without an explanatory framework to shine the light onto them. 

The point of ND, for me, was to shine a light on those shadows. It has nothing to do with labels, unless you’re an egotist. 

Just to say “I’m autistic” feels a little weird to me. But that’s just a label placeholder for my specific attributes which happen to be explained well by neurodivergence. 

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[Natasha Tori Maru]

10 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

I tried making this point in various posts, but failed miserably to communicate that idea in an appropriate way 🙈

I would like to extent it and say "how come we cannot experience and enjoy reality without constant need for label/concept idea"?

Yeah, it seems to be the actual root issue behind the surface discussion regarding labels/concepts/ideas. It's not about ND not ND. NT not NT. It could be anything. It's the underlying theme behind the human drive towards concept/idea/label in an attempt to seek existential meaning. Without investigating what meaning is, in an of itself.

There appears to be attachment present. And reassurance / relief from said attachment. Evidence by emotional attribution. 

This is actually counter to equinimity. 

10 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

But I get the impression that this message appears like blasphemy to quite a few in this forum🤷‍♀️

There's a huge mix of users who are more direct experience based, and those more concept/thought based. Sometimes there isn't the realisation the concept/thought/idea/label acts as a cataract between the eyes and the vision/truth.

This is a heavy model/concept thread. 

I am aligned with your view. But I don't want to engage, pick my battles etc 🥹

Edited 5 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru