Leo can't fix you because you are Neurodivergent

[theleelajoker]

1 hour ago, LastThursday said:

Exactly what a ND would say.

😂😂😂  Thanks for making me laugh.

But I don't identify with this. NOT AT ALL.

I'm unique, with a unique perspective of life. Same as anyone else.

Who is this so called majority of NT people? Where is this so called NT society with different neurological processing than the so called ND's?

I don't care much about some YouTube videos or similar, I focus on my direct field of experience through interaction. And when I do, and I go out into the world, all I see is unique individuals. Talk to those "NTs" and I'm pretty sure you'll loose these labels and categories.

 

Edited 3 hours ago by theleelajoker

[Alexop]

What qualifies as an ND? Men in general are more autistic, are most men ND?

[Joshe]

I know people don't want to hear it but OP is right, that if you get down with actualized.org, you're almost certainly ND. This isn't anything bad.

Notice how "normies" would frown upon this place and call us all "weird". You cannot deny this. And it's not simply we are willing to look at what is true and they are not. Our minds are operating in entirely different realities. 

Would you say you've always been an oddball, even when you were a child? Have you ever felt "different" from everyone else but didn't know why? If so, ND is likely your answer. Don't just assume you are different because you care about the truth and others don't. There is much more to it. 

And those dismissing it because they feel labels put you into an unnecessary box, you're not seeing the immense utility of making these distinctions. The distinctions can exist without negativity. 

We make distinctions for a reason. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Joshe

[Hojo]

@Alexop Its a meaningless term this guy is trolling. If I showed him a brain and then showed him another one he could not tell the difference between a neurodivergent brain and a non neurodivergent brain. Like he literally would have 0 idea whats even happening. He's trolling the users here.

He pretends to shit on the brain but really he shitting on the person.

OP do you understand you dont have a face or head to be neurodivergent?

Edited 2 hours ago by Hojo

[Joshe]

1 minute ago, Hojo said:

@Alexop Its a meaningless term this guy is trolling. If I showed him a brain and then showed him another one he could not tell the difference between a neurodivergent brain and a non neurodivergent brain.

He's not trolling. I was planning on making the same case he is making but never got around to it. It's a legit insight. 

[Hojo]

@Joshe maybe I misunderstood him is he saying that leo can't help us cause we are already highly advanced?

[Joshe]

9 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Joshe maybe I misunderstood him is he saying that leo can't help us cause we are already highly advanced?

No, he's not saying Actualized.org can't help us with anything. He's saying it glosses over and doesn't account for our nature, which hampers holistic development - and he's right, 100%.

Edited 2 hours ago by Joshe

[Hojo]

@Joshe No this is wrong. It can definetly help. Neorudivergent peoole are not retards they are highly intelligent.  If anything it can't help normies.

In order to even give leos videos a chance you have to have an incling that they are saying something. Normies won't have that incling.

The videos are specifically for different people who think differently. 

You can tell normies all day that the voice in their head isn't them and they won't have a clue what you are talking about and ignore it.

Edited 2 hours ago by Hojo

[Jannes]

Okay we really need a Poll

edit: I started a Poll

Edited 2 hours ago by Jannes

[Joshe]

Just now, Hojo said:

@Joshe No this is wrong.

Alright - if you say so, but I've seen it for myself. Its something you'd have to dive deep into to understand. 

I was always against this idea myself. But I started experiencing severe burnout and in trying to understand it, I same across ND. Decided to not just dismiss it and actually look into it. After several hours of pressure testing, the framework became more and more coherent and everything started to converge. I saw the patterns. They are there. I'm not making this shit up. Lol. And I'm very skeptical and careful about adopting frameworks. I don't even like SD because I found too many holes. So I'm not just someone who says something is true easily. I spend many hours validating and pressure testing. 

[Hojo]

@Joshe well I don't like when people keep saying ND its a bullshit label that dosent mean anything. You can see patterns and notice them and pay attention. Anyone can do that.you don't need to be a special person to do it.

[theleelajoker]

2 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Alright - if you say so, but I've seen it for myself. Its something you'd have to dive deep into to understand. 

I was always against this idea myself. But I started experiencing severe burnout and in trying to understand it, I same across ND. Decided to not just dismiss it and actually look into it. After several hours of pressure testing, the framework became more and more coherent and everything started to converge. I saw the patterns. They are there. I'm not making this shit up. Lol. And I'm very skeptical and careful about adopting frameworks. I don't even like SD because I found too many holes. So I'm not just someone who says something is true easily. I spend many hours validating and pressure testing. 

Book recommendation: "no self, no problem" from Chris Niebauer.

Part of human loves COHERENCE, not truth. You see what you want to see. 

[Hojo]

Op i make a suggestion in the future instead of Neurodivergent use the term = Genius

Instead of neurotypical use the term = retard 

[Hojo]

@Joshe you understand that when you see these karmic loops and change the way you react you are still neurodivergent? Your reactions have nothing to do with your wiring. Besides reacting the same way next time to the wiring 

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[Joshe]

10 minutes ago, Hojo said:

Anyone can do that.you don't need to be a special person to do it.

No they can't, not to the same degree. NT people literally lack the brain structures - literally. This is one thing you'd discover if you dove into it. 

[LastThursday]

1 hour ago, theleelajoker said:

Who is this so called majority of NT people? Where is this so called NT society with different neurological processing than the so called ND's?

I don't know. I don't particular like labels either for any number of reasons. I think neurodiversity as a label is overly broad, and it's also going through a bit of a fad at the moment, the world and their brother want to be ND as a way to explain themselves and as a badge of honour. DSM doesn't help by being overly general and broad in their definitions.

Saying that, society does operate with the average person in mind. That means average in many ways, such as cognitively and socially, those are your NTs. i.e. it's the largest category, that of average people. Society is then settling on the average over millions of people calling that "normal".

[Joshe]

13 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

Part of human loves COHERENCE, not truth. You see what you want to see. 

I see what converges, not what I want to converge. I don't even "want" anything specific to converge - I just want to see what actually converges. And even after I see the convergence, I'm still skeptical and wonder if I put things together wrong, so I pressure test further. I'm not building models of reality sloppily. 

Of course it's all abstraction, but if you use "it's all abstraction" to make distinctions irrelevant, this can become its own pathology. 

[Joshe]

8 minutes ago, LastThursday said:

I think neurodiversity as a label is overly broad, and it's also going through a bit of a fad at the moment, the world and their brother want to be ND as a way to explain themselves and as a badge of honour.

This is true - immature people are using it as a crutch and for egoic purposes, and this is largely why I was turned off by the topic, but this doesn't negate the reality of it.

[theleelajoker]

10 minutes ago, Joshe said:

I see what converges, not what I want to converge. I don't even "want" anything specific to converge - I just want to see what actually converges. And even after I see the convergence, I'm still skeptical and wonder if I put things together wrong, so I pressure test further. I'm not building models of reality sloppily. 

Of course it's all abstraction, but if you use "it's all abstraction" to make distinctions irrelevant, this can become its own pathology. 

Me: recommending a book that shows how easily (parts of) the brain fools us when building models. And how we stick to it despite overwhelming evidence. (Watzlawik is also a good source)

You: "my model is correct"

😂😂😂

Edited 1 hour ago by theleelajoker

[Joshe]

19 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Joshe you understand that when you see these karmic loops and change the way you react you are still neurodivergent? Your reactions have nothing to do with your wiring.

Your wiring is largely the reason you are the way you are. It's not all just nurture. Nature sets the stage. Surely, you've known since childhood you were different.

Awakening doesn't override your nature. Your very nature strongly influences if you'd even seek awakening. There's a reason why most spiritual masters are said to be INFJ. They were born different.