Neurodivergent Bias of Actualized.org

[Joshe]

43 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I know I am wired very, very differently. I just do not label myself. 

I never cared to look into it but I was going through severe burnout and trying to get to the bottom of it, and that search led to ND. I always kind of just felt like, “so what if you’re ND, it’s just a label, you’re still you, it doesn’t change anything, therefore a useless abstraction that usually traps people in victim mindset.”, but I was wrong. It was very explanatory. The literature actually has words to explain us very well. One benefit to finding out was increased self-acceptance.

I even had the thought “what if what I’ve been calling my ‘Ni’ is just ND”, lol. It could be, and if true, funny af. I had your thought about evolution as well. 

I think OP has a strong point that the vast majority of people attracted to this space are likely ND. If I were to guess, I’d guess you are. 

[Hojo]

@CredIm not sure if they could develop one, I think what you are talking about there is more ADHD. A baby in a chaotic environment cannot run so it has to develop a survival mechanism of looking away earlier on. I think this is where ADHD comes from. Like a baby has to start 'running' very early on it does this my shifting its attention. When the person with ADHD cant focus on something it dosent like comes from this. They dont feel safe focusing on something they dont like as a survival mechanism. So when they are laying there if mommy and daddy start screaming again it starts to look around to pretend its not there.

Autistic just dont make up that they are a person. Basically not having an ego.

Edited 19 hours ago by Hojo

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Joshe Thanks for the input - you probably have a decent profile of me, considering our ongoing dialogue and your general interest in personality types

27 minutes ago, Joshe said:

 One benefit to finding out was increased self-acceptance.

No problem with that on my end, definitely a function of my upbringing. Crazy alcoholic artist raising me really impressed individualism to an extreme. Could also be nature - I think I can be, shall we say... headstrong? (I say this over stubborn lol). I do raise it is a process though, and there were some aspects of myself I struggled to accept. But not ND related - gender/sex related, believe it or not!

27 minutes ago, Joshe said:

I even had the thought “what if what I’ve been calling my ‘Ni’ is just ND”, lol. It could be, and if true, funny af. I had your thought about evolution as well. 

I think OP has a strong point that the vast majority of people attracted to this space are likely ND. If I were to guess, I’d guess you are. 

Yep, I guessed you would have clocked that also. I do think there is a neurologically adaptive component. 

This conversation has made me put neurodivergence on the list of 'hours of reading literature, ten thousand internet tabs & coffee'

Edited 19 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Basman]

2 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I suppose this touches on a wider scope - if ND is becoming more prevalent; when does it begin to appear to be an evolutionary manifestation of human intelligence, as a response to our rapidly evolving technological environment? You could argue a case that with the advent of smartphones, we are already cyborgs, or a form of. 

I do not feel I am ND.

Maybe others here can assess how they view that within me, I have NO idea how I am perceived or much about ND.

I know I am wired very, very differently. I just do not label myself. 

The point of a diagnosis is to formally treat an issue. If you don't have an issue you don't necessarily benefit from the label. 

[Basman]

Autism 

5 hours ago, Hojo said:

@BasmanIts their parents energy. Autist people lack identity so they suck up the energy or their parents. If their parents give them love they are ok, if their parents are angry and hate them they get erratic.

I have seen videos of autistic retarded kids with loving parents and they are chill. I have seen videos of autistic kids with parents that secretly lament them and they are angry.

If you have a loving environment the autistic person is like a cat. Theres no person there its just like a being its totally fine doing nothing. Then there are households where the cats are very angry, any household with an angry cat, the owners did that do them.

It's genetic. People are too eager to whitewash autism as merely a variant without acknowledging how much of a disability it can be, especially socially. Parents energy isn't going to change a lack of innate motor skills, not being able to hold a spoon without gripping it like a baby for example. Or freaking out over dust.

Something like 71% of autistic adults are unemployed and have a reduced average life expectancy. It's a disability to a varying extent.

[Hojo]

@BasmanIt being genetic has nothing to rebut against what I said. This person has motor skills and hes using them to punch himself in the face.

Edited 17 hours ago by Hojo

[Natasha Tori Maru]

44 minutes ago, Basman said:

The point of a diagnosis is to formally treat an issue. If you don't have an issue you don't necessarily benefit from the label. 

Pretty much why I do not like to use these terms outside of clinical use; normally a formal diagnosis stipulates the individual has to be unable to function in a normal/standard way to qualify (or are significantly impacted day to day). While the label can help in understanding where we lie on a spectrum, I do not like to label myself with anything at all. 

In addition, terms and labels are always loaded with context from others; language is so nebulous, I can say one thing, and another person can derive or understand something COMPLETELY different. All the more reason to stick with formal diagnosis rather than self assessment.

[CARDOZZO]

ADHD, ND, Bipolar, Sociopaths, High Abilities, Giftedness, Spiritually Possessed, Schizophrenics.

Many such cases here on the forum. 

Edited 17 hours ago by CARDOZZO

[Hojo]

Science based mind is neurodivergent. Its not even a real thing. Its a made up term scientists say to say, you dont follow our dogma of how a brain 'should' be wired. Brain can be wired in infinite ways designed by God.

Look at nature, its chaos. Look at a school its ordered rule based and limited. Science says if you dont like school and deny your nature you are 'neurodivergent' our brains emerged from chaos.

The term neurodivergent is made up BS.

Edited 16 hours ago by Hojo

[Cred]

10 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I know I am wired very, very differently. I just do not label myself. 

This is the definition of neurodivergent.

8 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

But not ND related - gender/sex related, believe it or not!

Gender is absolutely ND related. Gender is a social truth. People with autistic traits are insensitive to social truths. The link between struggling with gender identity and autism is well researched.

When you research it, you will find a lot of answers about peculiarities of your life. It is very well researched. As always, different sources vary in depth of knowledge about the subject. I recommend the YouTube channel HealthyGamerGG above all. 

ND is as deep and complex as life is. A ND person acts and feels at least slightly differently in most possible scenarios of life than is socially expected. This is a lot of scenarios. Learning about ND is a lifelong process and has to be done in a contemplative manner. Spending one evening filling online questionnaires is not going to help you much.

Edited 11 hours ago by Cred

[Cred]

6 hours ago, Hojo said:

Look at nature, its chaos. Look at a school its ordered rule based and limited. Science says if you dont like school and deny your nature you are 'neurodivergent' our brains emerged from chaos.

The term neurodivergent is made up BS.

I agree and disagree. You are correct that in the past, modern medical science has viewed people who are different as people who need to be fixed (see Foucault). I completely agree that the school system is designed for neurotypical people and not suitable for ND people.

ND is a new term and is not scientific. It was coined by the community. It does not have the same baggage/implications as outdated terms like Asperger syndrome. I also see the negative way some ND are phrased as critical. ADHD has the term disorder in it which can be seen as problematic. For example, you could use "passion oriented person". It is absolutely true that our system is the disorder and not the individuals. The trend is that these negative terms are "reclaimed" by the ND community, similar to the n-word was reclaimed by the black community and the word queer was reclaimed by the queer community. This community is part of the ND community and no one seems to be aware of that.

Sometimes I hear people who criticize the ND movement say something like "ADHD is bs. Kids should not be forced to sit still in school!". This is cope imo. When I hear this, I think of the closeted gay pastor ranting about homosexuality. School is engineered for neurotypical people and those get through school just fine. If you are smart but struggle in school regardless, you are likely ND.

I'm not advocating y'all getting medical treatment. It's the system that needs treatment (communism has entered the chat). However it is crucial for y'all to understand just in what way you're different from the norm. You can do ten years of all the self acceptance meditations in the world and it is not going to help you as much as getting a deep understanding of ND.
 

Edited 10 hours ago by Cred

[Hojo]

@CredIt is part of a neuro divergent community but what I am saying is neuro divergent isnt what they are saying it is. You dont need medical help with neuro divergent its a way the human mind can be programmed. Typically its involved with seeing truth more, in this sense neuro typical people are actually the mentally ill ones and they are bullying the neurodivergent people who see truth more by giving them labels and saying they need mental help.

Like Donald Hoffmans game theory, the more 'evolved' you are the less of truth you see. Science is saying that neurotypical people are evolved to see truth less, as a neurotypical person is in the middle of the group, deemed 'normal'(Seeing reality normally). Its actually reversed the people who are neurodivergent are seeing MORE of reality than a neurotypical. That makes neurotypical the abnormality. Neurodivergent people havent been indoctrinated into the system as well. Its literally a farse and a lie and its backwards thinking.

Why do you think a niche forum on the internet about God (the real God) is filled with 'neurodivergent' people? Because its actually neurotypical thats neurodivergent. If this is the case there is literally NOTHING wrong with a neurodivergent person there is something wrong with a neurotypical person and the neurotypical person needs to seek medical treatment as all neurotypical people are actually INSANE!

We are all aware that we are 'neurodivergent'. We know that we cannot talk about these things with normal society. There are people on here that are scared to use their real image on this forum because if anyone saw them they would be deemed insane when its actually the other normies that are insane.

This is a server about spiritually 'awakening', what the fuck is that? Thats not scientific or provable, this is stuff schizophrenics talk about. But alot of us has had it happen and cannot deny that we saw something from a purely subjective view. We saw the universe is a purely subjective view. This would crumble the worldview of a neurotypical person.

We quote sadhguru who says come to my Ashram, he quotes his ashram as being a mental institution that you can get better in. He comes to america and is scared that he is going to be assasinated because this system we live in is being purposefully created to squash out neurodiversity (people who see truth more). They know what they are doing.

Edited 9 hours ago by Hojo

[Cred]

@Hojo I agree with everything you just said but want to add some nuance.

Being ND causes the person to develop insecurities because they don't fall into the socially accepted way, a valuable person is defined. The worst way (in terms of survival) to cope with low self-esteem is with self loathing, which leads to suicidality. A step-up, but still suboptimal, is self-pity which leads to depression. 

One way to function with low self-esteem is with denial. If you ignore the evidence of your low self-worth and instead put yourself on a pedestal and put everyone else down, you will deceive yourself out of your depression. One completely random and unrelated-to–anything–at-all-way this could be done is by declaring stuff like: "I am god, I have seen truth everyone else is sheep". 

This is the narcissistic way of dealing with low self-esteem. I don't necessarily factually disagree when people here say stuff like "I am the only one who cares about truth everyone is below me". I'm rather asking why it is important to you to see yourself as above everyone else.

I want to emphasize this point again: All the self acceptance mediation shadow work call it what you want is not reaching the root of the problem, which is that people see you as less valuable. Phrases like: "They are not productive, they are on forums all day" is language, discriminative of ND people and comes from a framework of wage labor (communism has once again entered the chat). 

If you want to function without a narcissistic way of coping, you will need to learn precisely in what way society is wrong. And this only works by learning about ND (also anti-capitalist theory. Communism Post is coming soon)

Edited 8 hours ago by Cred

[Cred]

My radical claim is that ND is as relevant to all of you as "being in a wheelchair" is to someone in a wheelchair. Think about how much effort someone in a wheelchair has to put into coping with being in a wheelchair. Coping with ND arguably takes more effort since one can't delude someone in a wheelchair into thinking that they are supposed to live a normal life.

Edited 9 hours ago by Cred

[Shermaningeorgia]

On 20/01/2026 at 11:45 AM, Cred said:

I believe Leo is not talking nearly enough about neurodivergence (ND) in his blog and in his videos. It is a big source of bias of this community.

ND people naturally struggle with conformity. Autistic people value absolute truth over social truth. Also, they don’t like crowded places, so they prefer to spend time and socialize on the internet, for example on forums.

People with ADHD and ED value passion over regular jobs, since regular jobs are physically painful to them, which influences their definition of life purpose.

Highly sensitive people value spirituality, since they are able to find pleasure in subtle sensations.

Only gifted people have the brain power to think about philosophy all day.

ND is a fundamental difference in the wiring of the brain which is genetic and irreversible. People who are ND fundamentally see the world differently than neurotypical people. I don’t want to downplay Leo’s work, but to point out the limits of his universalist rhetoric. It is important to know that it is impossible to pull regular people (the masses, in Marxist talk) up to our level, and we need to instead focus on leading them.

Be aware of skewed stereotypes and edge cases about ND. Don’t say, “I’m not a nerd who can’t talk or feed themselves and has meltdowns, therefore I’m not autistic,” or “I can sit still, therefore I don’t have ADHD and therefore I don’t have executive dysfunction,” since all of ND is on a spectrum, and even if you don’t qualify for any diagnosis, your life can still be greatly impacted by being ND. My experience with ND people tells me that there is about a 99% chance that the person reading this is ND. I’ve never met a neurotypical person who is active on forums, especially a theoretical one like this.

Most people have a bias toward wanting to believe that they are normal. This can be extremely dangerous for your life, in the same way that a person who is denying their drug addiction is much more likely to face disastrous outcomes than someone who is aware and seeks help. Don’t fall into the trap of being skeptical about being ND. Be skeptical about your skepticism. If it looks like a banana, smells like a banana, feels like a banana, and tastes like a banana, it is a banana.

Normalcy in life is variable. However, neurodivergent people can seek and want attachments. It's not true to say that they do not. And it's as equally confomist to say most on forums are neurodiverse.

[Cred]

1 hour ago, Cred said:

@Hojo I agree with everything you just said but want to add some nuance.

Being ND causes the person to develop insecurities because they don't fall into the socially accepted way, a valuable person is defined. The worst way (in terms of survival) to cope with low self-esteem is with self loathing, which leads to suicidality. A step-up, but still suboptimal, is self-pity which leads to depression. 

One way to function with low self-esteem is with denial. If you ignore the evidence of your low self-worth and instead put yourself on a pedestal and put everyone else down, you will deceive yourself out of your depression. One completely random and unrelated-to–anything–at-all-way this could be done is by declaring stuff like: "I am god, I have seen truth everyone else is sheep". 

This is the narcissistic way of dealing with low self-esteem. I don't necessarily factually disagree when people here say stuff like "I am the only one who cares about truth everyone is below me". I'm rather asking why it is important to you to see yourself as above everyone else.

I want to emphasize this point again: All the self acceptance mediation shadow work call it what you want is not reaching the root of the problem, which is that people see you as less valuable. Phrases like: "They are not productive, they are on forums all day" is language, discriminative of ND people and comes from a framework of wage labor (communism has once again entered the chat). 

If you want to function without a narcissistic way of coping, you will need to learn precisely in what way society is wrong. And this only works by learning about ND (also anti-capitalist theory. Communism Post is coming soon)

I believe this reply deserves a separate thread. I hope I don't get flagged for repetitive posting. I think this is justified.

If you want to reply to this response specifically, do it here:

 

Edited 7 hours ago by Cred
Added link

[Human Mint]

Hi. I don't understand how you are able to spot ND people here, but you might be generalizing a bit... or you might not, but where's the evidence?

I have a problem with your worldview because what is socially accepted is in most cases mediocrity. I think you have a bias about seeing ND where there is none. But don't get me wrong, I know it is more nuanced.

I am just saying I cannot take seriously the seriousness of the phrase "socially acceptable" used as the ultimate goal in your posts.

[Basman]

In my experience, people with a recent autism diagnosis go through a phase where they think everyone who's slightly conventionally different is autistic.

[Hojo]

@CredIts not narcissist its finally sticking up for yourself. The neurotypical bully the neurodivergent their entire lives. Isnt it narcissist to tell a neurodivergent they are messed up in some way? Science is bullying an untypical brain structure. Science is the narcissist. There isnt a problem with a neurodivergent, its who they are the way God intended.

'All the self acceptance mediation shadow work call it what you want is not reaching the root of the problem, which is that people see you as less valuable.' This quote is narcissist. There isnt a problem. The problem is you seeing others that are different as a negative. Maybe you have the problem.

God structures your brain. A neurotypical could never understand this.

Edited 3 hours ago by Hojo

[Cred]

@Hojo AHHHH you didn't reply under the dedicated thread! :cryingemoji: