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My critique on Spiritual Teachers

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This critique goes to teachers like eckhart tolle, sadhguru, etc.. 

They try to neglect the fact that you’re a human, or at least inside that state of consciousness. They keep giving you advices on how to awaken how to enlighten etc.. but underestimate the fact that you are a human. Many treat being a human as something lesser important than their mission. 
 

ok i understand that you’ve acquired a higher state of consciousness, but what are the consequences for students like me ? 
 

I spent years of my life neglecting my psychological well being for spiritual pursuit. Your psychological well being is more important than your spiritual achievements. You were born to BELONG, to feel included, to be happy , to succeed socially and internally. Spiritual teachers neglect this side , they keep talking about the mind as something is wrong with it. They tell you life is suffering. That’s not true. Life is not suffering. Their outlook on life makes life a suffering playground. When you are constantly trying to escape your state of consciousness, which is beneath god of course you’ll be suffering. You’re damaging your psychological wellbeing by chasing something that requires a superhuman like Leo to achieve. 
why is this post ? 
This post is to remind you to not neglect your psychological well being. Your psychological well being is very important, for your overall functioning and YES you can be happy without gaining spiritual insights. I know a lot of people that are really happy and they never heard a word from eckhart tolle or sadhguru, some of them are even religious and some of them are blinded by lies but at the end of the day they are happy. Their psychological well being is not in trouble it’s intact. And THAT is what really matters. 
 

Living a safe psychologically well established life is the goal. Being Sane is the Goal. You would reap great benefits if you focus on your psychological well being first. Then you can sit and meditate but that should be secondary not primary.

Hope you have a good one :D 
 

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1 hour ago, Nick_98 said:

This critique goes to teachers like eckhart tolle, sadhguru, etc.. 

They try to neglect the fact that you’re a human, or at least inside that state of consciousness. They keep giving you advices on how to awaken how to enlighten etc.. but underestimate the fact that you are a human. Many treat being a human as something lesser important than their mission. 
 

ok i understand that you’ve acquired a higher state of consciousness, but what are the consequences for students like me ? 
 

I spent years of my life neglecting my psychological well being for spiritual pursuit. Your psychological well being is more important than your spiritual achievements. You were born to BELONG, to feel included, to be happy , to succeed socially and internally. Spiritual teachers neglect this side , they keep talking about the mind as something is wrong with it. They tell you life is suffering. That’s not true. Life is not suffering. Their outlook on life makes life a suffering playground. When you are constantly trying to escape your state of consciousness, which is beneath god of course you’ll be suffering. You’re damaging your psychological wellbeing by chasing something that requires a superhuman like Leo to achieve. 
why is this post ? 
This post is to remind you to not neglect your psychological well being. Your psychological well being is very important, for your overall functioning and YES you can be happy without gaining spiritual insights. I know a lot of people that are really happy and they never heard a word from eckhart tolle or sadhguru, some of them are even religious and some of them are blinded by lies but at the end of the day they are happy. Their psychological well being is not in trouble it’s intact. And THAT is what really matters. 
 

Living a safe psychologically well established life is the goal. Being Sane is the Goal. You would reap great benefits if you focus on your psychological well being first. Then you can sit and meditate but that should be secondary not primary.

Hope you have a good one :D 
 

Right track. It's nice to see some light being shined here. 

If spiritual teachers were actually responsible regarding psychological well-being/destabilization, they'd provide more than a once-ina-blue-moon 20-word disclaimer.

In the real world, people are seeking relief and so they ignore the 20-word disclaimer, and the so-called gurus know this and conveniently ignore it.

Also, it's the ultimate scheme: sell a product to a desperate person and if the promise of the vague, abstract product doesn't materialize, it's user error - not product failure. And there's no way to tell, so lock in for the next decade because it's the only way to reach the summit. And in the meantime, buy this other book/course/program to solve the dozens of blocks that will arise, because once you invest enough financially and emotionally, you'll build up sunk-cost fear and start telling yourself lies about who you are and how it's all worth it. Just keep going for another 5 years - the summit is there!". 

Not that everyone is doing this but I think it's important to be aware of incentives and how spiritual sales funnels operate. 

For too many, it often loops like this:

  • Suffering prompts search for meaning
  • Spiritual ideas give relief and direction
  • Commitment grows
  • Real-life problems get bypassed/postponed
  • Distress appears again because it's structural
  • Further disengagement from life via abstract ideas
  • Loop keeps going

Apparently, they call it "spiritual bypassing".

Spirituality as an escape from being a human. 

Edited by Joshe

"It is of no avail to fret and fume and chafe at the chains which bind you; you must know why and how you are bound. " - James Allen 

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21 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Right track. It's nice to see some light being shined here. 

If spiritual teachers were actually responsible regarding psychological well-being/destabilization, they'd provide more than a once-ina-blue-moon 20-word disclaimer.

In the real world, people are seeking relief and so they ignore the 20-word disclaimer, and the so-called gurus know this and conveniently ignore it.

Also, it's the ultimate scheme: sell a product to a desperate person and if the promise of the vague, abstract product doesn't materialize, it's user error - not product failure. And there's no way to tell, so lock in for the next decade because it's the only way to reach the summit. And in the meantime, buy this other book/course/program to solve the dozens of blocks that will arise, because once you invest enough financially and emotionally, you'll build up sunk-cost fear and start telling yourself lies about who you are and how it's all worth it. Just keep going for another 5 years - the summit is there!". 

Not that everyone is doing this but I think it's important to be aware of incentives and how spiritual sales funnels operate. 

For too many, it often loops like this:

  • Suffering prompts search for meaning
  • Spiritual ideas give relief and direction
  • Commitment grows
  • Real-life problems get bypassed/postponed
  • Distress appears again because it's structural
  • Further disengagement from life via abstract ideas
  • Loop keeps going

Apparently, they call it "spiritual bypassing". 

Wow. I like your explanation. Thanks!

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