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[UnbornTao]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

It is absurd that anyone spiritual would dare to deny that God is Love.

That is what you are arguing for and it is silly.

Of course it is, of course it is. 

[UnbornTao]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

We don't need a video on listening. We need a video on self-deception. And luckily that video exists. 3 parts even.

But who is smart enough to grasp it?

No one, apparently. But it's a matter of honesty, not smartness. The latter can actually be used to fuel the deception. 

But seriously, yeah. Not just a video but a week-long workshop. We are such poor listeners in general. The more you look the more you realize this. And the more depth you find to the principle.

Learning how not to see what is not there is another invaluable ability.

[UnbornTao]

1 hour ago, Joseph Maynor said:

God is Truth, Love, Beauty, Wisdom.

Check out this belief. 

[Joshe]

1 minute ago, UnbornTao said:

Check out this belief. 

Lol

[UnbornTao]

28 minutes ago, lostingenosmaze said:

What Leo said so, obviously. But he never said to believe him either, obviously, no matter how many times he said it's true and it's never his worldview or that Love was never a perspective. BUT if you actually tried to test it and failed to see it you obviously haven't tried hard enough.

This doublespeak is all so tiresome, honestly.

Yeah, the issue I raised speaks to a deeper dynamic and includes what you're saying here.

[UnbornTao]

 

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Disappointed.

You can never know someone else's experience.

Edited 8 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Joseph Maynor]

23 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Check out this belief. 

I actually have.  

[UnbornTao]

4 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Disappointed.

You can never know someone else's experience.

Oh, you can definitely tell. You think it can be kept hidden or something. And you do it all the time. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 minute ago, UnbornTao said:

Oh, you can definitely tell. You think it can be kept hidden or something. And you do it all the time. 

https://www.amazon.com.au/Book-Not-Knowing-Peter-Ralston/dp/1556438575

[UnbornTao]

@Natasha Tori Maru Body language, for example. 

Pretending not to know is not the same as actual not knowing.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@UnbornTao I recommend the book.

[UnbornTao]

Just now, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@UnbornTao I recommend the book.

I'm a believer

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@UnbornTao It is hard to tell between the frenzied replies and sarcasm.

[UnbornTao]

5 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@UnbornTao It is hard to tell between the frenzied replies and sarcasm.

Okay. 

[Leo Gura]

5 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Didn't you hold consciousness to be a function of the brain when arguing in favor of drugs as a means to awakening?

Relatively speaking yes. Drugs raise and lower consciousness. This is empirically indisputable.

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And do you consider things like so-called "absolute color" awakenings to be direct consciousness?

Of course.

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Honestly, people will just believe this.

Not my problem. I can only warn you guys so much.

I have issued more warnings and disclaimers than any teacher I have ever seen. And yet still I am blamed for just teaching simple and obvious truths.

If I taught people that they have a hole in their butt, you would come here and accuse me of promoting beliefs and cosmology. Lol

Edited 4 hours ago by Leo Gura

[yetineti]

I do not believe in the butt hole or anything of the sort! Witch!

[Leo Gura]

@UnbornTao Are you really so disconnected from yourself that you do not recognize that everything you do in life is to seek love?

Do you not understand that nothing will ever satisfy you but Infinite Love?

Because that's what you ARE.

Consciousness will not rest until it finds Itself. Infinite Love.

Underneath all your logical arguments, and even your enlightenments, your soul knows what I'm saying is true. Why?

Because Love recognizes Love.

Edited 4 hours ago by Leo Gura

[UnbornTao]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Relatively speaking yes. Drugs raise and lower consciousness. This is empirically indisputable.

Of course.

Not my problem. I can only warn you guys so much.

I have issued more warnings and disclaimers than any teacher I have ever seen. And yet still I am blamed for just teaching simple and obvious truths.

If I taught people that they have a hole in their butt, you would come here and accuse me of promoting beliefs and cosmology. Lol

This is just sad.

Ironically enough, despite your professing, you are quite closed-minded in some fundamental ways. It won't look this way for most of your acolytes, though. It's also clear that you want to avoid being challenged. You're smart enough to notice that Ralston knows a thing or two that you may be a bit dizzy about.

Potentially deluding altogether. Remember that Adi Da knew what he was talking about. His group, unfortunately, turned into a full-on cult.

[Monster Energy]

@Leo Gura 

The mistake isn’t that you’re seeking love.

It’s that you think you are the one doing the seeking.

When you say that everything in life is an attempt to find Infinite Love, you’re describing the ego’s autobiography, not consciousness itself.

The ego seeks love because it experiences itself as a problem to be solved, a gap to be closed, a wound to be healed by recognition. So every insight, every awakening, every “finally,” gets folded back into the same structure someone is moving toward something that will complete them.

But consciousness doesn’t move.

It doesn’t lack.

It doesn’t “recognize itself” the way a person recognizes a truth.

“Infinite Love” becomes misleading the moment it’s treated as an answer, an endpoint, a resting place. Because resting implies prior tension, and tension belongs to identification, not awareness.

So when you say “Love recognizes Love,” what’s actually happening is simpler and less romantic the seeking temporarily collapses, and the relief gets named Love. The name sticks because it feels meaningful. But meaning is optional here.

What hasn’t been fully seen isn’t that love is fundamental. That insight is almost unavoidable.

What hasn’t been seen is that the impulse to frame reality as needing to be Love is the last refuge of the seeker.

And when that drops, there’s no final satisfaction.

No completion.

No soul finally at peace.

Just the quiet realization that nothing was ever asking to be fulfilled, including the one who thought they were seeking Love in the first place.

So the question isn’t whether love is real.

The question is which illusion is still asking to be reassured.

Or, more simply, which illusion haven’t I seen through yet?