Acohol Assuredly has its spiritual benefits

[Ponder]

Im 6 beers deep rn, and my state of consciousness has risen dramatically. It’s allowing me to process repressed emotions etc. 

[Ponder]

Also, my cognition has improved. Ive been playing the elevate app (a brain training app) and im getting highscores. Your mileage may vary, however. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

It also has that blinding overconfidence in ones state and faculties going for it... 💀

[UnbornTao]

I think this kind of reasoning has the potential to be problematic down the road. If you want, enjoy the occasional beer, but I'd avoid falling into the notion that a substance you ingest is going to increase your consciousness.

Sorry for the lecture, wanted to point that out. 

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

[Wilhelm44]

Just dont enjoy the low afterwards anymore. If I want a bit of a mood elevator, i prefer microdosing Golden teacher mushrooms these days. No downside really, and good for the brain.

[Rilles]

Ah! Alcohol , the queen of delusion, glad shes not in my life anymore. 

[Ponder]

To everyone saying it creates overconfidence in your abilities or whatever, how do you explain the objective metric of doing better on the brain training app i was talking about??? 

[Ponder]

Also, I don’t get hangovers (no matter how much i drink). I’m up at 3:28am after sleeping for like 3 hours. No longer drunk, feel perfectly normal. Once again people are falling for the trap of thinking all substances affect each person in the exact same way. 
 

just because it doesn’t work for you doesn’t mean it’s not a useful tool for me. 

[UnbornTao]

Alcohol is a toxic substance and has the potential to be abused. I wouldn't try to rationalize its use.

Hey, I might drink a beer or two every once in a while. Not to tell you how to live - enjoy it occasionally if you want - but avoid fantasizing that it's going to make you more spiritual or anything like that. Your liver, brain, and body in general will disagree. Microdosing psychedelics is a much better option.

Smoothies, on the other hand, will for sure improve your health, cognition, and overall well-being. If you want, you might as well implement them into your diet.

Edited 15 hours ago by UnbornTao

[Joshe]

49 minutes ago, Ponder said:

I’m up at 3:28am after sleeping for like 3 hours

That's because alcohol is a major sleep disruptor, which I think is largely what makes hangovers so shitty. The bad sleep alone would be enough to bring about a shitty day. Then, compound that with toxins and dehydration.

Saying you don't get hangovers is like saying aspirin doesn't thin your blood. There's no way around it if you ingest enough. And even ingesting 6 beers would cause impairment on some level. 

I get what you're saying though - alcohol does have a way of connecting you to emotions. I often go through a roller coaster of emotions when I drink and I do find it interesting and sometimes even useful and even cathartic because it makes releasing emotions very easy - so I think it does have some value. 

Also, I do find insights and ideas while drinking, but I find them when sober as well. It's just that when I'm drinking, they feel different and branch in different directions. 

As far as cognitive improvement, IME, there seems to be a very short window of enhancement but the threshold seems too easily crossed to ever be useful. Also, I've wondered if any enhancement is largely due to being more decisive and trusting my gut more. Certain brain games would reward that if intuition and pattern matching are built up enough for the specific game/exercise. 

 

Edited 15 hours ago by Joshe

[Rilles]

The negative health aspects of alcohol are so bad that there isnt a single organ that doesnt take tremendous damage over the course of your life, when youre 20 its easy to be happy go lucky because your body is a system in its early strongest phase, but when youre older youre gonna feel it. 

[Ponder]

2 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Alcohol is a toxic substance and has the potential to be abused. I wouldn't try to rationalize its use.

Hey, I might drink a beer or two every once in a while. Not to tell you how to live - enjoy it occasionally if you want - but avoid fantasizing that it's going to make you more spiritual or anything like that. Your liver, brain, and body in general will disagree. Microdosing psychedelics is a much better option.

Smoothies, on the other hand, will for sure improve your health, cognition, and overall well-being. If you want, you might as well implement them into your diet.

Yeah I would microdose psychedelics if i had a dealer that i knew locally. In fact, ive taken many mushrooms lately that i found just growing in random areas where i live. 
 

definitely much better than alcohol, but two things can be good at once haha 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

How old are you?

My aunt had your reasoning and usage patterns regarding alcohol. 

She died a long, slow painful death by turning her liver to pate. 

[UnbornTao]

1 hour ago, Ponder said:

Yeah I would microdose psychedelics if i had a dealer that i knew locally. In fact, ive taken many mushrooms lately that i found just growing in random areas where i live. 

definitely much better than alcohol, but two things can be good at once haha 

I hope you know what you're doing by randomly picking and eating wild mushrooms. Don't be negligent. Otherwise, it's a recipe for disaster. And do not combine alcohol and mushrooms, just in case it were to occur to you. 

Oh, and don't fool yourself. If you just want to get high, be honest about that. 

This is my advice, based on how I interpreted your post.

God, I'm drunk with mod power!

Edited 12 hours ago by UnbornTao

[Sugarcoat]

Once Eckhart Tolle was asked about alcohols effect on consciousness he said something like “if your state of consciousness is affected by a few glasses of wine then there’s not much to it”. Basically saying that if your state of consciousness is high or stable or whatever, a bit of alcohol shouldn’t affect you or hurt your spiritual development . 

So it’s not that it increases it, just that if you start of with high consciousness (and i think mental stability also works this way) then it has less effect. 

From personal experience, even if I drink a lot, I never lose control and I’m aware of everything I say and do. It only dims my reality a bit, doesn’t bring anything up for me (that’s why I don’t crave it becuase I don’t get euphoric) Not saying I have high consciousness I’d rather say it’s consistency in my personality and not having much repressed tendencies that can come up when theres less inhibition. 
 

If alcohol is sedating or makes people obnoxious etc it’s odd that you in particular would feel more conscious on it. Also considering it’s a toxic substance. 

Edited 10 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[Hojo]

Its very spiritual. Probably one of the most. I saw God and stared at it for 3 months with alcohol. Its great for meditation when you are hungover and don't want to move.

There are many people who get born again via alcohol.

You dont drink it to get high you drink it to get low. You wanna go to the bottom of the pit. Get shit faced and drool on yourself and prepare to witness God!

People here are scared of God!

Fuck the negative impacts you must go hard in life.

Drinking 30 beers and putting myself into an alcoholic death spiral was the best thing I've ever done! 

You will feel the purest form of abandonment from the universe and merge with God.

You wont get anywhere in life listening to sissies puttering around edges talking about liver damage. They have no faith in God.

They dont listen to the spiritual teacher thay says whatever you do in life do it reckless abandon.

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Hojo

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, Hojo said:

Its very spiritual. Probably one of the most. I saw God and stared at it for 3 months with alcohol. Its great for meditation when you are hungover and don't want to move.

There are many people who get born again via alcohol.

You dont drink it to get high you drink it to get low. You wanna go to the bottom of the pit. Get shit faced and drool on yourself and prepare to witness God!

People here are scared of God!

Fuck the negative impacts you must go hard in life.

Drinking 30 beers and putting myself into an alcoholic death spiral was the best thing I've ever done! 

You will feel the purest form of abandonment from the universe and merge with God.

You wont get anywhere in life listening to sissies puttering around edges talking about liver damage. They have no faith in God.

They dont listen to the spiritual teacher thay says whatever you do in life do it reckless abandon.

 

Perhaps the mechanism behind this is the suffering the alcohol generated? In which case, it would indicate alcohol isn't unique or the actual reason for spiritual growth.

It seems common suffering is a huge ingredient for spiritual development

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Hojo]

@Natasha Tori Maru

Its a spiritual path. The yogi sees he is in a spot where he is too in survival mode to meditate so he drinks himself to death.

Its in one of the spiritual stories.

I drank because I was dealing with a problem I couldn't solve. The fear of death. Alcohol solved the problem by answering my question.

Alcohol wasn't the problem creating suffering it was the solution.

Once I ate shrooms the shrooms told me what I saw during my alcoholic death spiral was God. If I hadn't had that experience via alcohol I wouldn't have clicked to what God is.

The experience alcohol gave me was essential to my awakening even if it didn't seem like it at the time.

What i saw is that souls are infinitely intelligent and they are doing whatever they are doing at any given time purposefully even if we deem what they are doing to be stupid. What they are doing is perfect intelligence we just moralize reality too much. 

This moralizing is a projection of our own fear of death. Those who project morality fear God.

The problem with alcoholics is that they don't just lay there the next day they let anxiety over take them and continue to move around instead of using this time to lay there and look at the back of their eyes not thinking. My buddy is an alcoholic and when he's hung over he gets anxiety so he goes and does stuff. I never did that I always layed there doing nothing. This gave me a connection to God.

Edited 7 hours ago by Hojo