Why nobody is talking about Iran?

[zazen]

The most basic stand on Iran is that the government needs to change (reform, not necessarily regime change) and that external actors shouldn’t intervene in counterintuitive un-ethical ways (sanctions or war) that only leads to hardening of the regimes posture under seige conditions and hardship / bloodbath for locals.

Confessions of a economic hitman:

Lesson learnt for 85% of the globe: participate in BRICS to hedge against this financialized imperialism that the US and West have monopoly over. 

OG Middle East expert:

Liberalising requires surplus, which require stability, which requires at least some coercive capacity to begin with. The West went through internal repression, elite consolidation and coercive state building - externalized much violence through empire, then domestically liberalized. They had slack to do so - which no longer exists for late developers in a post-colonial world. 

Countries start to deal with human rights and liberal values once they have the conditions for it after securing the human right of survival and stability. The West's very own actions get in the way, sabotaging that sequence. Intervention by empire used to be justified by the “white mans burden” and is now laundered through “democracy promotion”. The same countries being “helped” get judged by countries that themselves went through and are at the end of that developmental sequence.

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[Elliott]

10 minutes ago, zazen said:

The most basic stand on Iran is that the government needs to change (reform, not necessarily regime change) and that external actors shouldn’t intervene in counterintuitive un-ethical ways (sanctions or war) that only leads to hardening of the regimes posture under seige conditions and hardship / bloodbath for locals.

Confessions of a economic hitman:

Lesson learnt for 85% of the globe: participate in BRICS to hedge against this financialized imperialism that the US and West have monopoly over. 

OG Middle East expert:

How do sanctions directly lead to bloodbath, north Korea is sanctioned, Russia, Venezuela.

 

If the u.s. was going to war, it would've/should've been the moment the strike group pulled up. That's been a week, Iran probably has a swarm of missiles, air defense, and drones moved into position and locked on them now.

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[zazen]

39 minutes ago, Elliott said:

How do sanctions directly lead to bloodbath, north Korea is sanctioned, Russia, Venezuela.

In-directly applying pressure to such a degree that once a threshold is crossed and people revolt we see crackdowns by the same regime that’s hardened by the same sanctions - causing them to act brutal to survive. We saw the culmination of that this year. Death counts anywhere from 5-30k+ - not sure what to believe but whatever the number its insane in such a short amount of days.

Russia is far more resilient to the sanctions because it’s ''too big too fail'' in a sense. It wasn't sanctioned until much later because EU depends on their energy - sanctioning them hurts themselves. Even when it was, it wasn't fully isolated the same way as Iran was.

Iran's been under sanctions far longer and far harsher so the pressures been built over time. They also don't have any exits / options for the people to migrate to as the regions either war torn or impossible borders to cross unlike Venezuela which releaved  a lot of the pressure - millions migrating into neighboring countries.

NK is a dystopia with fully locked down under a bunker mentality made for isolation. The people are tragically under total surveillance state control. No one can coordinate revolt. If a person steps out of line their entire bloodline gets affected and punished. Wiki, Yeonjwa: ''three to eight generations of a political offender's family can be summarily imprisoned or executed. Relatives are not told why they fell under suspicion and the punishment extends to children born in prison.''

What a shit hole - if there's one case of a country that deserves the entire world to rescue its people it would be NK but the fuckers have nukes.

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[Elliott]

1 hour ago, zazen said:

In-directly applying pressure to such a degree that once a threshold is crossed and people revolt we see crackdowns by the same regime that’s hardened by the same sanctions - causing them to act brutal to survive. We saw the culmination of that this year. Death counts anywhere from 5-30k+ - not sure what to believe but whatever the number its insane in such a short amount of days.

The people don't have to revolt though. It's not poverty that's the overwhelming problem, it's just inflation, corruption, and abuse.

It seems to me to be Israeli agitators, and then the overreaction by the regime.

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[zazen]

5 hours ago, Elliott said:

It seems to me to be Israeli agitators, and then the overreaction by the regime.

Same - real protests hijacked by provocateurs as boasted about by Mike Pompeo etc.

Very interesting take from Turkeys admiral:

 

[Raze]

It’s insane to me the Iranian diaspora is still praising republicans and israel, in reality they’ve made their situation much worse.

The sanctions which israel lobbied for have crushed the Iranian people, and shrunk the middle class and caused brain drain which was the group most effectively opposing the regime with the resources for transition.

Trump then encouraged the protestors that he’d help them but just abandoned them.

Then due to the constant war threats the regime was able to get its military to unite and use that as a pretext to use massive amounts of violence to crush the protests claiming it’s a national security issue, and Pompeo and Israel gloating about using mossad agents just helps them with this narrative.

The reaction was far more violent than the 2022 protests and during those protests part of the military had refused to join in crushing them, indicating there was the possibility of splits.

Now Israel has just had Trump ramp up the sanctions even more and Trump is trying for a deal with the regime.

Israel is demanding Iran basically abandon any military power it has which they know they’ll refuse.

The fact that any Iranian diaspora wants a regime change war with Iran after everything that happened in Iraq, Syria, and Libya is insane. That would harm the Iranian people far more than the regime at its worst.

[Revolutionary Think]