What spiritual teachers actually teach Solipsism

[Carl-Richard]

18 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Carl-Richard who are you favorite philosophers?

Bernardo Kastrup, contemporary idealist philosopher, and about to blow the shit out of the AI market and spreading idealism on top of billion dollar budgets:

"Europe's last hope in the AI race - Europe must gain AI sovereignty; here's how they can do it": https://iai.tv/articles/europes-last-hope-in-the-ai-race-auid-3453?_auid=2020

Edited 16 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[aGuyWithTanSkin]

@Inliytened1 hey brotha. I’ve been lurking on this forum here and there since 2023, and your wisdom/words resonate with me the most. yours, along with @Leo Gura,  @Breakingthewall , and some guy with a black persons profile pic (with sunglasses, i think he calls himself morpheus or something) posts catch my attention. I always wanted to reach out to ask questions to help me clear up my understanding of things but i’d get busy with life, and other times i couldnt find your old posts. i’ll preface by saying that i have consumed LSD once (as my first psychedelic), in 2012, at coachella, and experienced ego death and it was true hell because i remembered that im alone forever, always have been and always will be. Prior to this, i tempted god when i lost faith in god to show me himself if he truly exists; and during my trip, god telepathically told me “you wanted me to show myself right, well here i am” and i pleaded with regret to just go back to the illusory world i was used to, as i thought at this point i opened a can of worms that couldnt be undone anymore. It was so haunting and sad knowing that the actual truth of this life is horrific and i’ll always be stuck with it infinitely, and only by pretending/lying to myself forever i can cope with it. I went in not knowing anything about spirituality or philosophy; just wanted to take a “drug” to party, but it was nothing of the sort. What began as euophoric and noticing how similar my friends and i were, feeling a close bond to them, evolved into realizing that they literally are me (their voices were coming from within my mind, and not outside of me/thru their mouths as we perceive).. the soul that i always thought was inside them (as “other”), and of course everyone else in this world, was no longer a “separate” entity… rather it was just me this entire time like a ventriloquist pretending his puppet is a separate being, but its actually just the ventriloquist himself pretending to be the puppet by changing his voice, though in the dream/maya the ventriloquist is under a trance that blurs the knowledge of the fact that everyone is actually him. Another example is toy story, when Andy enters the room and all the toys lose “life” and lay on the ground… on LSD, thats what i experienced- that everyone i ever knew was always just a puppet, and all their personalities and voices and appearances just came internally from my (or the one and only’s) mind. It’s the same thing as when we go to sleep, in our dream those other characters are just our own mind… or in virtual reality, same thing. There can only be one pov experience occurring at the present moment, like a movie, and for now its mine as the character im playing. But even my body is all imagined, made of the same consciousness (or pixels) as everything else in each scene in every moment. I did shrooms once after this, and experienced the same thing but to a shorter duration and less extreme, but it caused a panic attack. Is this considered enlightenment- those moments when I dissolved into that oneness? 
 

The main question I’ve been wanting to ask you is- why do you (and many others) say that enlightenment is “total bliss” or it’s something to desire and yearn for, and the most amazing love or euphoria or whatever.. when at the same time you have said you wouldnt wish it upon your worst enemy? And many also describe it as realizing that you are the one and only lonely king trapped here for eternity and thats just the way it is. This is contradictory. I’ve seen comments on posts in the past from you, with takes from both sides. And by the way, as a result of the very few psychedelic trips, I became obsessed with learning more and read up so much philosophy… that i now believe in solipsism, as only it makes sense. The best way to explain/describe existence, is that its literally magick! Theres no other explanation.

Edited 16 hours ago by aGuyWithTanSkin

[Inliytened1]

9 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Bernardo Kastrup, contemporary idealist philosopher, and about to blow the shit out of the AI market and spreading idealism on top of billion dollar budgets.

"Europe's last hope in the AI race - Europe must gain AI sovereignty; here's how they can do it": https://iai.tv/articles/europes-last-hope-in-the-ai-race-auid-3453?_auid=2020

Good luck to him but I get a bad vibe with him and I always have.

Probably the same reason i get bad vibes about Sadghuru. Businessmen and philosophers don't mix in my opinion. 

Edited 16 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Inliytened1]

14 minutes ago, aGuyWithTanSkin said:

@Inliytened1 hey brotha. I’ve been lurking on this forum here and there since 2023, and your wisdom/words resonate with me the most. yours, along with @Leo Gura,  @Breakingthewall , and some guy with a black persons profile pic (with sunglasses, i think he calls himself morpheus or something) posts catch my attention. I always wanted to reach out to ask questions to help me clear up my understanding of things but i’d get busy with life, and other times i couldnt find your old posts. i’ll preface by saying that i have consumed LSD once (as my first psychedelic), in 2012, at coachella, and experienced ego death and it was true hell because i remembered that im alone forever, always have been and always will be. Prior to this, i tempted god when i lost faith in god to show me himself if he truly exists; and during my trip, god telepathically told me “you wanted me to show myself right, well here i am” and i pleaded with regret to just go back to the illusory world i was used to, as i thought at this point i opened a can of worms that couldnt be undone anymore. It was so haunting and sad knowing that the actual truth of this life is horrific and i’ll always be stuck with it infinitely, and only by pretending/lying to myself forever i can cope with it. I went in not knowing anything about spirituality or philosophy; just wanted to take a “drug” to party, but it was nothing of the sort. What began as euophoric and noticing how similar my friends and i were, feeling a close bond to them, evolved into realizing that they literally are me (their voices were coming from within my mind, and not outside of me/thru their mouths as we perceive).. the soul that i always thought was inside them (as “other”), and of course everyone else in this world, was no longer a “separate” entity… rather it was just me this entire time like a ventriloquist pretending his puppet is a separate being, but its actually just the ventriloquist himself pretending to be the puppet by changing his voice, though in the dream/maya the ventriloquist is under a trance that blurs the knowledge of the fact that everyone is actually him. Another example is toy story, when Andy enters the room and all the toys lose “life” and lay on the ground… on LSD, thats what i experienced- that everyone i ever knew was always just a puppet, and all their personalities and voices and appearances just came internally from my (or the one and only’s) mind. It’s the same thing as when we go to sleep, in our dream those other characters are just our own mind… or in virtual reality, same thing. There can only be one pov experience occurring at the present moment, like a movie, and for now its mine as the character im playing. But even my body is all imagined, made of the same consciousness (or pixels) as everything else in each scene in every moment. I did shrooms once after this, and experienced the same thing but to a shorter duration and less extreme, but it caused a panic attack. Is this considered enlightenment- those moments when I dissolved into that oneness? 
 

The main question I’ve been wanting to ask you is- why do you (and many others) say that enlightenment is “total bliss” or it’s something to desire and yearn for, and the most amazing love or euphoria or whatever.. when at the same time you have said you wouldnt wish it upon your worst enemy? And many also describe it as realizing that you are the one and only lonely kind trapped here for eternity and thats just the way it is. This is contradictory. I’ve seen comments on posts in the past from you, with takes from both sides. And by the way, as a result of the very few psychedelic trips, I became obsessed with learning more and read up so much philosophy… that i now believe in solipsism, as only it makes sense. The best way to explain/describe existence, is that its literally magick! Theres no other explanation.

Hey man..well..first nice to meet you and thank you for reaching out.  Its a little to drop on me at once.  I'm not sure where to begin.

[VeganAwake]

1 hour ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Watch those two videos and look at how he relishes saying no like a stubborn kid almost.  It's weird once you see it.

I know what you mean, and it can come off as rude even.

It's because so many people will habitually start turning what he's trying to point out into their own personalized version........and are typically way off track.

He attempts to shut down those stories really quickly so the person doesn’t go any further down the rabbit hole sorta speak........but doing so can appear rude and disregarding........but he's actually trying to help!

He's also trying to ensure that what he is pointing out doesn't get misconstrued or misinterpreted.

Edited 16 hours ago by VeganAwake

[aGuyWithTanSkin]

@Inliytened1 take your time, and get back to me. I’ve been wanting to ask you this for a few years lol, but just would get sucked back into my busy life. I just want a bit more clarity, around that contradiction.

[Joseph Maynor]

4 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

I know what you mean, and it can come off as rude even.

It's because so many people will habitually start turning what he's trying to point out into their own personalized version........and are typically way off track.

He attempts to shut down those stories really quickly so the person doesn’t go any further down the rabbit hole sorta speak........but doing so can appear rude and disregarding........but he's actually trying to help!

We can go in the direction of There is no ... and There is ... with equal measure.  But both of these come to a certain saying of no.  

[Inliytened1]

7 minutes ago, aGuyWithTanSkin said:

@Inliytened1 take your time, and get back to me. I’ve been wanting to ask you this for a few years lol, but just would get sucked back into my busy life. I just want a bit more clarity, around that contradiction.

I think the scary part about enlightenment is when you do realize you're alone.  Its frightening and you said it exactly.   Other is revealed to be a part of your own mind.  This can drive you insane unless you force your mind elsewhere.   But the other aspects of enlightenment are amazing.  And it is bliss.  Many have asked for a description here and I can only describe as a blissful, dissolving feeling.  As if you are dissolving into Infinity.  And this will move through you.  So that is very blissful, better than any high a drug or alcohol can get you.  Because you are realizing that you are God.  But the other side of it is that when other collapses it can be quite scary.   All that you have ever known is thrown out.  So you desperately want to come back to "reality".  And you do, hopefully. 

Edited 16 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Inliytened1 @ExploringReality

You, gentleman - I would cook lamb shanks, mash & beans. A good meal and hearty existential chats 🙏❤️

I know I do enjoy a mental clashing of the minds, but behind that I genuinely adore intellectual conversation and there is always MUCH respect. I also know exactly when to switch from savage mind jousting to warm compassion. I don't like walking away with a bad feeling. I suppose that's the women bit 🥹

I have never met one woman into serious spirituality. A few men for sure. And I really to try with those around me. I give them little truth biscuits to lure them in, but it is rare someone really begins to ask the big questions with the lead in. 

I suppose you would find truth seeking women in the last place you would expect. Because who would predict an awakened, female construction manager? Sounds busted 😏

[Carl-Richard]

I have to re-frame my past exclamations of "it's so simple, literally spend 10 minutes to learn the distinction between personal and transpersonal", as that is more a wish and a rhetorical quip than reality.

It was not the case for me, it was a paradigm shift after years of intentional grasping for something more than my vibez-based solipsism (which I did subscribe to for quite some time). I think it's almost a default to subscribe to solipsism once you get into non-duality. It's seemingly so elegant, simple, but indeed only if you are kind of simple yourself (in the conceptual department, not necessarily spiritually).

Yes, to make philosophically sound statements, you have to do a little digging into philosophy, into science, into trying to be logically consistent, into expressing your ideas in a clear and unequivocal way (which does not equal simple). It was a process for me, and unless you're exceptionally gifted in the conceptual department, it will be for you too, if you decide to go down that route. And I do believe it's worth it, because you are always making philosophical statements on the spiritual path. You are doing it right now. You are never exempt from stating things logically and from trying to provide an argument. Even if you're a vibez-based solipsist, you are providing a philosophy.

It doesn't matter if it's based in direct experience. I believe my philosophy of idealism is based in direct experience. It's the way you communicate it, the level of consistency, the conceptual rigor, that might be entirely different, that makes it come off as different, but it can be based in entirely the same thing. It's about how well you think, not how well you "are" in terms of spiritual attainment. And if you are all about spiritual attainment, then the pointing business maybe is not for you. There are other ways to spread your insights. You don't have to do it through words. But again, if you choose words, you take on the responsibility of being rigorous, logically consistent and unequivocal, or else you delude yourself and others.

Edited 5 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Carl-Richard]

34 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Good luck to him but I get a bad vibe with him and I always have.

Vibez.

 

34 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Probably the same reason i get bad vibes about Sadghuru. Businessmen and philosophers don't mix in my opinion. 

Thinking well about reality means you are able to control reality well. The mix is substantial.

Edited 15 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Joseph Maynor]

9 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Inliytened1 @ExploringReality

You, gentleman - I would cook lamb shanks, mash & beans. A good meal and hearty existential chats 🙏❤️

I know I do enjoy a mental clashing of the minds, but behind that I genuinely adore intellectual conversation and there is always MUCH respect. I also know exactly when to switch from savage mind jousting to warm compassion. I don't like walking away with a bad feeling. I suppose that's the women bit 🥹

I have never met one woman into serious spirituality. A few men for sure. And I really to try with those around me. I give them little truth biscuits to lure them in, but it is rare someone really begins to ask the big questions with the lead in. 

I suppose you would find truth seeking women in the last place you would expect. Because who would predict an awakened, female construction manager? Sounds busted 😏

When I did my philosophy program in college it was like 50% men and 50% women.  Women can like philosophy!

[aGuyWithTanSkin]

14 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I think the scary part about enlightenment is when you do realize you're alone.  Its frightening and you said it exactly.   Other is revealed to be a part of your own mind.  This can drive you insane unless you force your mind elsewhere.   But the other aspects of enlightenment are amazing.  And it is bliss.  Many have asked for a description here and I can only describe as a blissful, dissolving feeling.  As if you are dissolving into Infinity.  And this will move through you.  So that is very blissful, better than any high a drug or alcohol can get you.  Because you are realizing that you are God.  But the other side of it is that when other collapses it can be quite scary.   All that you have ever known is thrown out.  So you desperately want to come back to "reality".  And you do, hopefully. 

@Inliytened1 i did force my mind to think away from that, but at the same time knew i was just lying to myself to hide from the reality. Like a child hiding under their sheets when a monster is in the room, as if that is any good to erase the fact its there. So is that what im stuck with for eternity, to hide from the truth to cope with it? Or is there some milestone Im behind on, that I need to overcome to get to the mindset or place where I actually prefer resonating with the truth/oneness over what I’m used to in the illusory world with having “others”? Does that bliss on the side of enlightenment that you mention supersede all other euphorias from the maya/illusory perception of life (drugs, alcohol, etc.)? And dont hesitate to be honest and blunt with me, I can accept it (while im in this maya at least). I’ve done a lot of work trying to practice and strengthen myself to accept it, by strengthening my self love; traveling alone, accepting losses, etc.

Edited 15 hours ago by aGuyWithTanSkin

[VeganAwake]

12 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

We can go in the direction of There is no ... and There is ... with equal measure.  But both of these come to a certain saying of no.  

Definitely seems that way.....

The impossible endeavor to use words to point at nothing. 

Always ends in "that's not it either" 

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, aGuyWithTanSkin said:

@Inliytened1 i did force my mind to think away from that, but at the same time knew i was just lying to myself to hide from the reality. Like a child hiding under their sheets when a monster is in the room, as if that is any good to erase the fact its there. So is that what im stuck with for eternity, to hide from the truth to cope with it? Or is there some milestone Im behind on, that I need to overcome to get to the mindset or place where I actually prefer resonating with the truth/oneness over what I’m used to in the illusory world with having “others”? Does that bliss on the side of enlightenment that you mention supersede all other euphorias from the maya/illusory perception of life (drugs, alcohol, etc.)? And dont hesitate to be honest and blunt with me, I can accept it (while im in this maya at least). I’ve done a lot of work trying to practice and strengthen myself to accept it, by strengthening my self love; traveling alone, accepting losses, etc.

Yes what you are discussing is integration.  It is always a work in progress.  Just realize that you continue to grow on the regular.  I'm still growing and integrating it.  It takes decades.   So do not despair.  Slowly you will integrate and you may continue to have deeper and deeper awakenings and realizations.  Over time your understanding will grow deeper. 

 

 

[Carl-Richard]

9 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I have never met one woman into serious spirituality. A few men for sure.

A friend of mine who I celebrated New Years Eve with is aware of Actualized.org, Spiral Dynamics, has meditated for hours at a time, has taken psychedelics, knows about the ramifications of attachment, and like me, he comes off like a normal guy (maybe he won't vouch for me) when you talk to him about normal stuff (which is what happens when you are a spiral wizard).

[Joseph Maynor]

3 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Definitely seems that way.....

The impossible endeavor to use words to point at nothing. 

Always ends in "that's not it either" 

Yes.  And then the question is now what?  Lol.  

[Carl-Richard]

13 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Definitely seems that way.....

The impossible endeavor to use words to point at nothing. 

Always ends in "that's not it either" 

I want AI to make me a meme gif of a person shooting a gun that has "pointing is not it" inscribed on it and who says "shut up" *reloads* "shut up" *reloads* "shut up" *reloads*, just so I can post it in every non-duality thread when the time is ripe. Yes, I did walk into a potlid-locked piece of terrain filled with cooled-down trapped weed smoke in -10 degrees celsius two days ago and I'm still high.

Edited 15 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[aGuyWithTanSkin]

@Inliytened1 thank you, bro. How does one continue to learn more and continue to mature spiritually? Just meditation and contemplation, with an internal longing for knowing more? Also, i want to add to your forum post’s initial topic of discussion with a theory i have that couples with solipsism- i do think that i experience life in everyones perspective at some point/dimension. So you inliytened1 (and everyone else) are not just a npc with minimal appearances in my life, but i lived your whole life. In my current movie scene im talking to you as my advisor/mentor, but when i live as you, i am inliytened1 living out his whole life with “me” (aguywithtanskin) as the one who made a few appearances in which inliytened1 mentored aguywithtanskin; but somehow, i cant explain how, god stitches all these experiences/lives together. God is so intelligent/a supercomputer, that he/it can only be explained by being magick. Cheers!

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Carl-Richard it reinforces my thought that we are all hidden in plain sight 🥰

24 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

When I did my philosophy program in college it was like 50% men and 50% women.  Women can like philosophy!

Absolutely (⁠＾⁠∇⁠＾⁠)⁠ﾉ⁠♪

I find other women who are into philosophy & truth far more intimidating than men, actually.