What spiritual teachers actually teach Solipsism

[Sincerity]

2 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

And after this nice conversation, remember to drop whatever you think you understand, and contemplate things for real - without opinion or assumption interfering.

For clarity's sake. My insights regarding solipsism/oneness arose during intense meditation and contemplation from scratch (primarily on LSD), mostly only focusing on "What am I?" for hours. Every time, the awareness is basically the same but deepened, and also other things come to light.

This understanding isn't my lived experience right now; I'm in a state of selfhood and my thinking is corrupted for that. But the insights and vision are fresh because my recent awakenings were at the start of this week. Also, I'm actively investigating the nature of self-thoughts every day "sober" during meditation. I can also recall the states I was in, and do - for integration purposes.

Lastly, I'll also add that I awoke to an insight that's more or less contradicting solipsism. I've seen glimpses of it before, but this time it became really clear. And both it and the insight of solipsism are true. So it's not this or that - it's this and that. A cosmic joke. I've said it in my first posts here.

I wish there was a better word for solipsism that's hitting the bullseye and isn't an -ism. Or maybe I just don't know it. Nevertheless, to me, it's not beliefs. More like remembrance through the fog.

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

For clarity's sake. My insights regarding solipsism/oneness arose during intense meditation and contemplation from scratch (primarily on LSD), mostly only focusing on "What am I?" for hours. Every time, the awareness is basically the same but deepened, and also other things come to light.

This understanding isn't my lived experience right now; I'm in a state of selfhood and my thinking is corrupted for that. But the insights and vision are fresh because my recent awakenings were at the start of this week. Also, I'm actively investigating the nature of self-thoughts every day "sober" during meditation. I can also recall the states I was in, and do - for integration purposes.

Lastly, I'll also add that I awoke to an insight that's more or less contradicting solipsism. I've seen glimpses of it before, but this time it became really clear. And both it and the insight of solipsism are true. So it's not this or that - it's this and that. A cosmic joke. I've said it in my first posts here.

I wish there was a better word for solipsism that's hitting the bullseye and isn't an -ism. Or maybe I just don't know it. Nevertheless, to me, it's not beliefs. More like remembrance through the fog.

The only way both can be true is pertaining to the Inifnity of Gods video by Leo. Which does shed light.   Other sovereign Gods can exist infinitely. But you are completely sovereign in your own right. 

[Sincerity]

17 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Why is @Inliytened1 asking where your grandmother is?

Idk. I wouldn't ask that, but maybe this question points to something worth contemplating too.

When I try to answer it, it's a mindfuck. 😃

[Sincerity]

9 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

The only way both can be true is pertaining to the Inifnity of Gods video by Leo. Which does shed light.   Other sovereign Gods can exist infinitely. But you are completely sovereign in your own right. 

I don't remember the video too well. I'd have to rewatch it.

The insight is still quite fresh for me, so I'll just let it be processed. First my understanding, then I'll (maybe) confirm with Leo. 🤠

[Inliytened1]

22 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Why is @Inliytened1 asking where your grandmother is?

This is a pertinent question in your investigation.   To assume she exists is just that. An assumption.   Do not confuse the questioning of "other" with "self".

[Carl-Richard]

17 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

This is a pertinent question in your investigation.   To assume she exists is just that. An assumption.   Do not confuse the questioning of "other" with "self".

Why does an omniscient God care where your grandmother is specifically?

[Sincerity]

52 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Me and other are illusions, God is real. "Where is other?" is illusion. "Only me" is illusion. God knows everything, God is everything, God is in me, God is in you, God is in avatars, God is outside avatars.

Yeah, like Inliytened already said, what's lacking to me is "I am God"... unless you insist that you're in a selfhood state right now and don't want to say something "ingenuine" right now? I don't know.

God is in everything, God is in X, God is outside Y seems really dualistic to me. "God knows everything" also sounds weird, perhaps you can elaborate.

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The moment you engage in "where is your grandmother?", you're engaging in illusion. You are not talking about an omniscient dreamer. You are engaging in a very select and limited section of the projections of the dreamer, dreamed by the dreamer, and the dreamer is not an avatar, it is not confined to an avatar, it is not confined to anything. Avatars are concerned with what you can see, smell, touch, hear, feel. The dreamer is concerned with what "is", what is everything, beyond what you can smell, see, feel, beyond anything you as an avatar can imagine with your limited imagination. And what "is" is pure knowing, pure being, pure "is".

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"Where is other?" is illusion.

I don't agree that this is illusion. And I don't agree that God is "beyond" physical experience. I'm thinking more about it and this "where is other?" question is actually quite a good pointer, if you understand it.

I don't agree that "Avatars are concerned with what you can see, smell, touch, hear, feel". There is (or actually isn't) self, which is illusory, and then there is CONSCIOUSNESS. The "self" doesn't actually interact with anything and it's only concerned about "itself" - it's basically a state. Then, even in a self-less state, senses are experienced. Consciousness experiences itself, which includes senses. From the POV of consciousness, everything is the same; there is no "avatar" and "other avatars". But perceptions and senses are still the case (and also aren't distinct from everything else).

The witness/nothingness/awareness and experience are completely one. Nothing is everything, and vice versa. And You are it (not the ego - the "real" you).

Edited 13 hours ago by Sincerity

[James123]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

But you ignore blatant facts about the nature of reality.  This is irresponsible of you to say the least. 

Not ignoring. Just, They are not you, don't belong to you. Anything and everything is it's own rithm, out of control.

Ignoring or accepting is still mind game.

So let go the body, any ideas, beliefs and experiences.

[Joseph Maynor]

15 minutes ago, James123 said:

Not ignoring. Just, They are not you, don't belong to you. Anything and everything is it's own rithm, out of control.

Ignoring or accepting is still mind game.

So let go the body, any ideas, beliefs and experiences.

Who is letting go?

[Carl-Richard]

7 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

Yeah, like Inliytened already said, what's lacking to me is "I am God"... unless you insist that you're in a selfhood state right now and don't want to say something "ingenuine" right now? I don't know.

The I that is God is not an avatar. That's the problem with projecting your own idea of the word. That's why I elaborate with what the "I" is.

 

20 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

Yeah, like Inliytened already said, what's lacking to me is "I am God"... unless you insist that you're in a selfhood state right now and don't want to say something "ingenuine" right now? I don't know.

God is in everything, God is in X, God is outside Y seems really dualistic to me. "God knows everything" also sounds weird, perhaps you can elaborate.

The entire linguistic enterprise is dualistic for God's sake. And I'm saying God is in everything. What is dualistic about that? "Sounds weird" means you're coming at this from a "feels" perspective not a logically consistent and conceptually informed perspective. And that's the problem. Something that is logically consistent sounds weird. We're barely logical creatures.

The pointing game is ridiculously limited. The best way is sometimes to shut up. But people keep asking so we keep pointing.

 

21 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

I don't agree that this is illusion. And I don't agree that God is "beyond" physical experience. I'm thinking more about it and this "where is other?" question is actually quite a good pointer, if you understand it.

I don't agree that "Avatars are concerned with what you can see, smell, touch, hear, feel". There is (or actually isn't) self, which is illusory, and then there is CONSCIOUSNESS. The "self" doesn't actually interact with anything and it's only concerned about "itself" - it's basically a state. Then, even in a self-less state, senses are experienced. Consciousness experiences itself, which includes senses. From the POV of consciousness, everything is the same; there is no "avatar" and "other avatars". But perceptions and senses are still the case (and also aren't distinct from everything else).

The witness/nothingness/awareness and experience are completely one. Nothing is everything, and vice versa. And You are it (not the ego - the "real" you).

God and avatars are one, God and perceptions are one. God and feelings, sounds, colors are one. But you saying "only these sounds and colors exist, not these other sounds and colors", that's fantasy, that's illusion. Because show me "these sounds and colors". Point them out to me. If you can do that, you will see that is in fact dualistic.

You see, solipsism in the way you seem to conceive it can ever only be dualistic. Ramana's solipsism, is radically non-dualistic. It's going inwards towards yourself, not outwards towards the world, things, feelings, perceptions, experiences, sensations — inwards towards the One, not outwards towards the many.

The One and the many are united in the journey inwards, united in an infinite way, not in a "here is the border of my limited avatar-based experience, anything outside is not real" kind of way.

[Joseph Maynor]

My take from reading Ramana Maharshi (mostly written not by him notably) is his primary teaching is snuffing out the I-Thought.  I seriously doubt he is a solipsist.  He would not attach to the mind in this way, I don't think.

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, James123 said:

What an imagination.

Wake up.

Peace.

Yeah brotha, aleluya, i want your medicine, give ve oh saint, give me!!!

5 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Anything can be turned into a religion.  But at least here it is said to discover for yourself using direct experience.  Actuality via meditation.  Thats the difference.  Religion is just a belief system it is not based on any direct experience.  If you tell a Christian they can discover Truth for themselves they will say that Jesus is above them and they arent meant to see what Jesus can see. 

So, people will discover for themselves that they are an infinite mind, that is, God, and that they are creating this reality by dreaming, and that everything that appears is a dream they are having.

And how will they discover that? By waking up? What does waking up mean? There are people who, for example, awaken to the fact that the earth is flat or that there is a plan to wipe out the white race. But those are just subjective opinions. That usually appears after seeing a video where anyone says exactly that. 

[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yeah brotha, aleluya, i want your medicine, give ve oh saint, give me!!!

So, people will discover for themselves that they are an infinite mind, that is, God, and that they are creating this reality by dreaming, and that everything that appears is a dream they are having.

And how will they discover that? By waking up? What does waking up mean? There are people who, for example, awaken to the fact that the earth is flat or that there is a plan to wipe out the white race. But those are just subjective opinions. That usually appears after seeing a video where anyone says exactly that. 

Yes. By waking up.   You can literally wake up from this thing we call life.  Now...will most people? No. But then again most people won't even sit down to do meditation. Actual meditation not using an app or some other crap.  And even then it seems most people do not possess the proper genetics for awakening. 

Edited 12 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

5 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Consciousness minus the ego.   

 

Imagine your consciousness without any content, without any change, without a self to register the experience, without time. What remains?

[Sugarcoat]

If we agree self is illusion. And that oneness/non duality is true. Why would reality be limited to produce only one single illusion. Might as well say why would reality be limited to only producing one single experience (the appearances you’re experiencing now, this screen, the noise etc). The illusion is the separation (I don’t know this but let’s say), so it’s this separate experience, so we can’t say “oh it’s all one because what we mean by solipsism is that there is only one universal self” , because that’s not the illusion, that’s oneness, two different things. From what I’m understanding, solipsism is talking about the limited self being only one of that kind. Because if not then it’s just another way of talking about non duality. But you could say that you only have access to your own experience/self, so from your perspective when you experience another person it’s another aspect of your singular experience. But that’s not the same as concluding there’s no illusion happening from any other perspective, in another person, just that you won’t have access to it directly. 
 

If I can feel I exist why couldn’t it happen somewhere “else” in all of infinity? 
 

I haven’t read so much of the thread just adding some thoughts hopefully I’m not just saying what’s already been concluded 100 times…

Edited 12 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

Yes. By waking up.   You can literally wake up from this thing we call life.  Now...will most people? No. But then again most people won't even sit down to do meditation. Actual meditation not using an app or some other crap. 

Sure, I meditate 3 h by day for 2,5 years, I never watched movies, no novels, very small socialization, I did psychedelic every single week, I did 3 psychedelic same time, lsd, weed and 5 meo together, hundreds of big trips, etc. now I socialize a lot and I never meditate, almost never psychedelic . And I don't see that I'm dreaming anything, what is dreaming? It's only an idea 

[Inliytened1]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

Sure, I meditate 3 h by day for 2,5 years, I never watched movies, no novels, very small socialization, I did psychedelic every single week, I did 3 psychedelic same time, lsd, weed and 5 meo together, hundreds of big trips, etc. now I socialize a lot and I never meditate, almost never psychedelic . And I don't see that I'm dreaming anything, what is dreaming? It's only an idea 

Maybe you haven't dissolved the self. A key part of meditation is self inquiry. There will be a moment when you realize that you - the self- is a thought.  In that moment is enlightenment.   So what type of meditation have you been doing? Did you incorporate self inquiry?

[Joseph Maynor]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Maybe you haven't dissolved the self. 

This is a very fascinating statement actually.

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

we agree self is illusion

The self is a creation of the hyper-complex energy structure that is a human, and is as real as any other form that reality creates.

Here, an scheme 

 

1. Core Function of the Self
The human self is not a single location, but a distributed regulatory system whose primary function is:
to maintain organismal continuity across time
(survival, coherence, prediction, social positioning)
The “I” is a control-and-integration pattern, not an entity.

2. Main Neural Components of the Self
A. Prefrontal Cortex (PFC) – Executive Self
Location: Frontal lobes (especially medial & dorsolateral PFC)
Functions:
Decision-making
Self-control and inhibition
Planning and future simulation
Moral and social rule integration
Narrative identity (“who I am”)
Role in the self:
Generates the narrative ego
Projects identity into the future
Maintains continuity and goals
This is where the symbolic, reflective self lives.

B. Default Mode Network (DMN) – Narrative & Self-Referential Loop
Main nodes:
Medial prefrontal cortex
Posterior cingulate cortex
Precuneus
Angular gyrus
Functions:
Self-referential thinking
Rumination
Autobiographical memory
Mental time travel (past/future)
Comparison and valuation
Role in the self:
Creates the sense of a persistent “me”
Generates self-evaluation and lack/excess
Core neural correlate of psychological contraction
When the DMN dominates → anxiety, rumination, identity fixation.

C. Limbic System – Affective / Survival Self
Main structures:
Amygdala
Hippocampus
Hypothalamus
Functions:
Threat detection
Fear and attachment
Emotional memory
Stress response
Biological valuation (good/bad)
Role in the self:
Produces affective centrality
Grounds the self in survival urgency
Links identity to pain, pleasure, and fear
This is the biological core of contraction.

D. Insular Cortex – Embodied Self
Functions:
Interoception (body state awareness)
Sense of “being here”
Emotional salience
Integration of body and emotion
Role in the self:
Generates the felt sense of self
Anchors identity in bodily continuity
Makes the self feel “real” and immediate
Damage or deactivation here alters self-presence dramatically.

E. Basal Ganglia – Habitual / Procedural Self
Functions:
Habit formation
Automatic behavior
Repetitive patterns
Reward prediction
Role in the self:
Encodes the behavioral inertia of identity
Keeps the self stable through repetition
Makes “who I am” feel automatic
3. What the Self Actually Is (Structurally)
Putting it together:
The self is a stable energetic–informational loop integrating:
prediction (PFC)
memory (hippocampus)
valuation (limbic system)
embodiment (insula)
narrative continuity (DMN)
habit (basal ganglia)
It is real, functional, and necessary for a living organism.

[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

If we agree self is illusion. And that oneness/non duality is true. Why would reality be limited to produce only one single illusion.

 

 

If you had multiple consciousnesses you would end up with sovereign entities each in their own reality.  That's where the infinity of Gods video came in.