P. Ralston on unnecessary suffering - avoidance?

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Breakingthewall show us on the doll, where Peter Ralston touched you (⁠⊙⁠_⁠◎⁠)

 

[theleelajoker]

14 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Breakingthewall show us on the doll, where Peter Ralston touched you (⁠⊙⁠_⁠◎⁠)

 

And then tell him to stop doing that.

[Breakingthewall]

12 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

What happens if you stop believing that?

It's not a belief, it's a reality which I understand deeply. All that stuff about beliefs is self-help . You are the manifestation that is happening, at the same time as you are the totality that is manifesting. They are not separate, they are one. You cannot separate yourself from thoughts or suffering or pleasure; separation is an appearance, it is creating a separate self. There is no separate self. Non-dualists like Ralston preach non-duality by creating absolute dualities.

 

[Breakingthewall]

19 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Breakingthewall show us on the doll, where Peter Ralston touched you (⁠⊙⁠_⁠◎⁠)

 

Deep post. Anyway, my point is more about analysis

Edited 4 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[theleelajoker]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's not a belief, it's a reality which I understand deeply. All that stuff about beliefs is self-help . You are the manifestation that is happening, at the same time as you are the totality that is manifesting. They are not separate, they are one. You cannot separate yourself from thoughts or suffering or pleasure; separation is an appearance, it is creating a separate self. There is no separate self. Non-dualists like Ralston preach non-duality by creating absolute dualities.

 

Again, what happens if you stop believing THAT?

Think of the placebo effect for instance. 

[CARDOZZO]

@Breakingthewall You're thinking inside a psychological paradigm to relate to suffering. You're deep into psychology. What if you transcend psychology? How would you think about your internal world? What if you transcend language itself? 

Edited 4 hours ago by CARDOZZO

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, theleelajoker said:

Again, what happens if you stop believing THAT?

Think of the placebo effect for instance. 

How "you" could stop "believing" anything? "You" are the belief. I don't believe anything, I'm absolutely free of that stuff, I see directly the movement and then I explain what I see, they are not mental structures

[theleelajoker]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

How "you" could stop "believing" anything?

By starting to believe that there is a "you" that can stop believing. 

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

@Breakingthewall You're thinking inside a psychological paradigm to think about suffering. You're deep into psychology. What if you transcend psychology? How would you think about your internal world? What if you transcend language itself? 

Once I crossed north Atlantic sailing alone in winter in a destroyed sailboat to trascend the psychology a bit during a month, to put an example. I did a lot of training to see directly the root of fear and mental processes, to go beyond the structures. Another time I did 5 meo 20 days in a row , some of those days 4 times in one day full dose. Another time I went into west Africa alone in a very old motorcycle without phone and sleeping on ground most of days, another time etc etc etc etc etc during year after year. If you want to think that I'm in the superficial layer, ok 

Edited 4 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

By starting to believe that there is a "you" that can stop believing. 

All that is mind , I'm talking about the real thing, beyond the surface, if anyone understand, ok, if not ok too I just try, done. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

26 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

And then tell him to stop doing that.

Deceased 💀🤣

[Natasha Tori Maru]

25 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Deep post. Anyway, my point is more about analysis

Well yes and no - because you also tried to discredit Ralston here:

17 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Fool, why are you suffering? Enjoy this time! These foolish humans. (condescending chuckle with faded shirt partially open)

Some analysis, hay? 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

31 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

@Breakingthewall You're thinking inside a psychological paradigm to relate to suffering. You're deep into psychology. What if you transcend psychology? How would you think about your internal world? What if you transcend language itself? 

🎯

https://www.actualized.org/insights/exit-systems-to-understand-them

Edited 3 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[CARDOZZO]

25 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Once I crossed north Atlantic sailing alone in winter in a destroyed sailboat to trascend the psychology a bit during a month, to put an example. I did a lot of training to see directly the root of fear and mental processes, to go beyond the structures. Another time I did 5 meo 20 days in a row , some of those days 4 times in one day full dose. Another time I went into west Africa alone in a very old motorcycle without phone and sleeping on ground most of days, another time etc etc etc etc etc during year after year. If you want to think that I'm in the superficial layer, ok 

Why are you upset? How can I know all that?

You make a lot of assumptions. Empty your cup. Transcend all your lenses and drop analysis itself. You can't go beyond humanity/being human using human tools.

Language, analysis, psychology - drop all that. Not-knowing is your doorway.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Well yes and no - because you also tried to discredit Ralston here:

Some analysis, hay? 

Touche. I get triggered by his attitude, but thanks for pointing because that's not the way to analyze a teacher 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, CARDOZZO said:

Why are you upset? How can I know all that?

You make a lot of assumptions. Empty your cup. Transcend all your lenses and drop analysis itself. You can't go beyond humanity/being human using human tools.

Language, analysis, psychology - drop all that. Not-knowing is your doorway.

I get upset by your advices like empty your cup and that because seems that you are placing in a superior position, like you are Budda telling easy obvious slogans of non duality, but of course, I shouldn't because that makes me automatically an idiot

I know that of empty the cup, knowing nothing etc, I meditate a lot and I know perfectly the non dualistic teach and I tried a lot to practice them, as anyone who is serious in spirituality, then I realized their fundamental mistake that is the separation of the observer and the reality, I'm pointing that, and you haven't understood 

Edited 2 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, theleelajoker said:

There is REAL fear and pain, and there is ABSTRACT one.  First one is suffering and can be eliminated.

There is suffering, the categories are just misunderstanding what suffering is. What is suffering according to you?

[Eskilon]

Stop suffering is good and all.

But I want the real gold -- how to stop pain?

We need a new Buddha for this

Edited 2 hours ago by Eskilon

[theleelajoker]

21 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

There is suffering, the categories are just misunderstanding what suffering is. What is suffering according to you?

Self-generated pain. 

I break my leg, it hurts. No suffering.

I wake up, I wished reality was different, I feel worse. Suffering.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

9 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

Self-generated pain. 

I break my leg, it hurts. No suffering.

I wake up, I wished reality was different, I feel worse. Suffering.

Similar to me - resistance to pain or what is.