Japanese Work Culture Is Sick

[Butters]

I've been seeing a few of these videos, it's just sad. I don't understand how you could even do this. 3 hours of sleep every night, no off time, nothing!?

 

[Leo Gura]

I told you the Japanese are insanely conformist.

[Ishanga]

yeah I watched on video that had like a few hundred thousand views of a corporate guy over there, and he never showed his face, it was just him video'g himself on a friday late night after work going for a couple beers and some food, lol, that was his only night for himself and his fun night.  What got me was all of the was the amount of views he got, he showed no face, just a guy having a dinner and beers then walking home, didn't make much sense...they seem pretty loyal and live low quality lives over there some of them...

[Joseph Maynor]

Is conformist the same as collectivist?  Is it the individual that is trying to separate itself from conformity?

[Entrepreneur]

11 hours ago, Butters said:

I've been seeing a few of these videos, it's just sad. I don't understand how you could even do this. 3 hours of sleep every night, no off time, nothing!?

 

Different strokes for different folks.

People have the individual inalienable right to prioritize their lives however they choose.   There are tradeoffs depending on what you choose to prioritize. 

 

[Leo Gura]

14 minutes ago, Entrepreneur said:

however they choose

They aren't really choosing. They are conformist zombies with no conscious choice.

If they spent 10 years learning all the Actualized.org theory, doing the consciousness work, then they could make a free choice. And they would never choose that lifestyle freely.

They are under cult-levels of indoctrination. You'd need a cult deprogramming intervention on them just to free them from that mind-trap. But in Japan this is just considered normal.

Edited 12 hours ago by Leo Gura

[enzyme]

Their work culture is quite draconian.  They have an unwritten rule in the workplace where you're not allowed to leave before your superior does.  So good luck if they choose to work overtime.

[Ramasta9]

I went to Japan earlier this year, i was deeply saddened by how robotic and disconnected people had become. I had to get out of the city ASAP and be with the mountains and trees and more native peoples, its one of the most beautiful landscapes I ever been too, and yet most people don't even touch trees, just take photos of them. I was the only one connecting with nature and allowing my feet to touch the earth. The city life was interesting for a day or two before I realized how toxic it was and finally was able to breathe after a 2 - 4 hour train ride out of the big cities.

Some places you literally cannot move and everything is digital/digitized. Its like that in many cities around the world but Japan is extreme. There is a deep spiritual culture there, but its not easy to find, like the yamaboshi for example.

Edited 12 hours ago by Ramasta9

[Joseph Maynor]

We think of work with Western individualist eyes, like I am going to work.  They look at it like we are going to work.  

[Schizophonia]

It's a medium-sized island with very limited resources, overpopulated, lacking large international corporations, and generally without influence over surrounding countries; working a lot is the mainstay of their economy.

They don't really have a choice, especially in Tokyo where life is expensive.

Edited 11 hours ago by Schizophonia

[AerisVahnEphelia]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

They aren't really choosing. They are conformist zombies with no conscious choice.

If they spent 10 years learning all the Actualized.org theory, doing the consciousness work, then they could make a free choice. And they would never choose that lifestyle freely.

They are under cult-levels of indoctrination. You'd need a cult deprogramming intervention on them just to free them from that mind-trap. But in Japan this is just considered normal.

This is also why their artists are usually top tier when they create original and good art because they have to war against so much bullshit. 

Albeit to be fair, many of them are performing and true originality is rarer than gold in Japan. 

This is also why I dropped my desire to even live there more. 

1 year of working holiday kind of vaccinated me. 

It's beautiful but the people are just . . Mah

I talked to a girl I saw a lot there. . asked her, her opinion on God, she literally told me, I never ever thought about it. 

Ha!

[AerisVahnEphelia]

1 hour ago, Ramasta9 said:

I went to Japan earlier this year, i was deeply saddened by how robotic and disconnected people had become. I had to get out of the city ASAP and be with the mountains and trees and more native peoples, its one of the most beautiful landscapes I ever been too, and yet most people don't even touch trees, just take photos of them. I was the only one connecting with nature and allowing my feet to touch the earth. The city life was interesting for a day or two before I realized how toxic it was and finally was able to breathe after a 2 - 4 hour train ride out of the big cities.

Some places you literally cannot move and everything is digital/digitized. Its like that in many cities around the world but Japan is extreme. There is a deep spiritual culture there, but its not easy to find, like the yamaboshi for example.

I like Tokyo a lot. 

At least people are clean, not fat and you're safe all the time ( usually )

But I m French so American just like freestyle event way too much, but I'll know better on America when I go there next year'

And bureaucracy is 100x times better in Japan than France. 

Edited 11 hours ago by AerisVahnEphelia

[AION]

The problem will solve itself

[Leo Gura]

Death by work does solve all problems. Can't argue with that logic.

[lostingenosmaze]

@Leo Gura They even have a forest dedicated to Death when they get tired of dying by working!

Edited 10 hours ago by lostingenosmaze

[Butters]

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

It's a medium-sized island with very limited resources, overpopulated, lacking large international corporations, and generally without influence over surrounding countries; working a lot is the mainstay of their economy.

They don't really have a choice, especially in Tokyo where life is expensive.

I don't think so. I saw another video where a guy explains the work culture. There's lots of strange customs, rules and seniority stuff going on. Said they're not productive at all. 

[Joseph Maynor]

They're not thinking of work as an individual who leaves the group, goes to an impersonal job, and then returns to "family" after work. 

[Butters]

Just now, Joseph Maynor said:

They're not thinking of work as an individual who leaves the group, goes to an impersonal job, and then returns to "family" after work. 

From watching the limited number of videos of these guys on Youtube, they do think of it that way, but they're trapped inside a system like you describe. 

[Ramasta9]

I liked Kyoto much better than Tokyo, the vibe is way less techy and has feels more balanced. 

[Joseph Maynor]

2 minutes ago, Butters said:

From watching the limited number of videos of these guys on Youtube, they do think of it that way, but they're trapped inside a system like you describe. 

If feel like shown in the best light they create with friends in a group where the boundaries between me and you, work and play, are more integrated and less brite-line individualist distinct like we do in the U.S.  They're socializing and communing throughout the day; not just an individualist assembly line of individual cogs like we imagine.