The US potentially attacking Europe

[Ulax]

I saw a video by Vlad Vexler. He said that we are seeing Trump move the US away from seeking International Power and towards seeking regional power. Seems greenland is part of that.

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48 minutes ago, AerisVahnEphelia said:

The USA is going to wake up completely isolated

The US isn't isolating. The US is coordinating with other nations and private interests. This is a global conspiracy and it looks like US imperialism is part of the plan. The US will no longer be top dog, but the plans are for the US (what's left of it) to be the face of the destruction of democracy around the globe. It's all show though, the US isn't calling the shots. Global corruption.

[AerisVahnEphelia]

14 minutes ago, Breathe said:

The US isn't isolating. The US is coordinating with other nations and private interests. This is a global conspiracy and it looks like US imperialism is part of the plan. The US will no longer be top dog, but the plans are for the US (what's left of it) to be the face of the destruction of democracy around the globe. It's all show though, the US isn't calling the shots. Global corruption.

that's one conspiracy possibility, or everyone is extremly smart as you make it be, or everyone is way more retarded than you think.

[Basman]

2 minutes ago, AerisVahnEphelia said:

that's one conspiracy possibility, or everyone is extremly smart as you make it be, or everyone is way more retarded than you think.

The latter when you consider how they are creating a less safe, less prosperous and less wealthy society.

There are issues with technocratic centrism, but that doesn't mean upending the system entirely is a viable solution. But it would probably be giving authoritarians too much credit to think it's well intended. It's about enabling narcissism.

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1 hour ago, AerisVahnEphelia said:

or everyone is extremly smart as you make it be, or everyone is way more retarded than you think

I'd say get real clear on that

[Lord of Darkness]

On 1/7/2026 at 11:53 AM, ted73104 said:

The US has yet to conquer Venezuela. Even if the US does succeed in taking over Venezuela in a short time, it'll take 10 years to build the infrastructure to extract all that oil. By that time the Republicans would probably not be in power anymore and Venezuela could just take over the built infrastructure and nationalize it just like they did before.

I don't think China is just going to do nothing if Venezuela gets invaded either.

No. Its gonna take a year and a half. 

[Lord of Darkness]

On 1/7/2026 at 1:20 PM, zazen said:

Reality isn’t purely material darwinianism and law of the jungle. Might makes right is pre-concious,  although utopian liberals think being concious means rejecting the reality of power/survival dynamics existing or that they are above it.

Power needs to be buffered by principles that come from our own conscience intuition of what is “right” and “wrong”.

A lot of the right wing just want to default to our animal nature because it’s simpler than dealing with the complexity of having to nurture nature to more humane ends that actually create civilization.

Its efficiency. Commities=bloat. Authoritah =decisions. UN is nothing but bloat. Power does not stand vacum, something is gonna fill it. Venezuela had unfortunate massive oil reserves, could not process them, so it was forced to process them, could venezuela be its own little paradise without it? Who knows, in global competition aztecs were evicted and replaced, we were to be more civilised now... but recent events are quite disillusioning....

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@Lord of Darkness I envy your screen-name

[Basman]

1 hour ago, Lord of Darkness said:

Its efficiency. Commities=bloat. Authoritah =decisions. UN is nothing but bloat. Power does not stand vacum, something is gonna fill it. Venezuela had unfortunate massive oil reserves, could not process them, so it was forced to process them, could venezuela be its own little paradise without it? Who knows, in global competition aztecs were evicted and replaced, we were to be more civilised now... but recent events are quite disillusioning....

This has nothing to do with efficiency. Trump has no plan for running Venezuela. It's pure theatrics. 

[zazen]

On 1/7/2026 at 0:11 PM, Elliott said:

How is that "post truth"? Might makes right, it's just reality, right is subjective.

Power and survival dynamics which are instinctual and reflexive are reality - and to buffer against that harsh reality humans reflected and created constructs such as law and norms. The reality of power precedes principle, but principle redeems power. Consciousness nurtures the unconsciousness of nature.

That management of power and survival dynamics is conditional - civilization is a subscription we continuously pay for with human effort and isn't a end product utopia. Once those conditions deteriorate due to mismanagement or structural shifts then the base reality of power and survival re-assert themselves. This happened at Russia's red line in Ukraine, will happen at China's red line in Taiwan - and has not happened at any red line for the US. 

This move isn't national security but empire in-security - at their position in the system being challenged by rising powers demanding a more equitable world order - where one nation and it's allies don't have veto power to unilaterally sanction anyone that doesn't subordinate themselves to Western interests.

Edited Friday at 02:18 PM by zazen

[zazen]

On 1/6/2026 at 3:18 PM, zazen said:

Europe has all the ingredients to be powerful yet it isn't considered a great power because it has no unity or ability to command that power - specifically militarily.  And military is the hardest dimension of power and sovereignty which they outsourced. To resolve inter-Euro rivalries after the world wars US took the lead in the security domain via NATO - no Euro nation trusts the other to lead so they sub-ordinated that function to a allied superpower placing them under its security umbrella. The fact that this superpower is across the pond and may have its own interests means it can use Europe for its own geopolitical adventures in containing rivals (Russia) and not have to suffer the consequences.

Europe isn't a great power because it refuses the moral and political costs of being one. It's structurally paralyzed because the position to lead the military command would be contested between France, Germany and UK which also disbanded via Brexit. Unity is just noise without a command - armies don't function on consensus but authority. A company can have multiple stakeholders or directors but only one CEO. In a military showdown you can't wait to get consensus from 27 capitals with 27 different threat perceptions and 27 different domestic political situations. A army needs a hierarchy designed to make violent decisions faster than the other side. Consensus is a luxury only democratic civilians can enjoy.

NATO isn't even European defense exactly but is American command of European forces - with the assumption that the US will lead those forces in a direction that benefits European interests and security. If US and European interests diverge - Europe's security architecture is still beholden to being US led via NATO. US also has a kill switch to the military eco system Europe depends on. If the US wanted to take Greenland what could Europe actually do? Militarily not much due to that dependency and operational paralysis around who would lead the charge against the US anyway. The first to take US's side would be Atlanticist Britain, then what? All they could do is political (protest with words) or economic (sanctions and decoupling) which assures tanking the continent.

This is why it's important to have military sovereignty but also never have total dependence on a single power, but instead play them off and spread the risk. In a way this is what India has done - it hedges itself by maintaining economic ties with China, energy and military ties with Russia, and both military and economic ties to the US along with its tech stack. That allows it a level of strategic autonomy Europe doesn't have despite Europe being much more richer and advanced than India.

Biggest obstacle beyond a domestic military industry is unity and leadership that isn’t contested:

How US neutered domestic Euro military sovereignty:

 

Edited yesterday at 03:53 PM by zazen

[Jannes]

5 hours ago, zazen said:

How US neutered domestic Euro military sovereignty:

 

I would add that Europe didnt ask the US to built such a ridiciously strong military and to intervene globally so much. But if they do it by themselves then its only reasonable to lay back a bit. 

I guess in the cold war it was neccessary to arm up that much and they kind of went with that status of being a global superpower. 

[Elliott]

Europeans are the nationalists, every European on here has opposed immigration. I support open borders. Greenland needs freed from the european colonizers

We need to penalize nationalist colonizers like Europeans. If they're not willing to pay up then we should absolutely remove their leaders, they're fascists.

 

The U.K. has come to their senses and sided with the U.S. on this by seizing Venezuelan tankers with us.

 

LIBERATE EUROPE!!!!!

Edited 7 hours ago by Elliott

[BlueOak]

@Elliott
I'm guessing you are trolling again. Though sometimes its hard to tell, America has gone so nuts these last few years.
 

[Elliott]

9 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

@Elliott
I'm guessing you are trolling again. Though sometimes its hard to tell, America has gone so nuts these last few years.
 

You fascist nazi colonizers are so blind, you believe everything your handlers tell you.

DOWN WITH EUROPEAN NATIONALISM!!! REGIME CHANGE NOW!!!!!

 

CURRENT U.K. colonies

Atlantic: Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands

Europe: Gibraltar, Sovereign Base Areas of Akrotiri and Dhekelia (Cyprus)

Indian Ocean: British Indian Ocean Territory

Pacific: Pitcairn Islands (Henderson, Ducie, and Oeno Islands)

Caribbean: Anguilla, Bermuda, British Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands, Montserrat, Turks and Caicos Islands

Edited 7 hours ago by Elliott

[BlueOak]

11 minutes ago, Elliott said:

You fascist colonizers are so blind, you believe everything your handlers tell you.

DOWN WITH EUROPEAN NATIONALISM!!!

 

CURRENT U.K. colonies

Atlantic: Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands

Europe: Gibraltar, Sovereign Base Areas of Akrotiri and Dhekelia (Cyprus)

Indian Ocean: British Indian Ocean Territory

Pacific: Pitcairn Islands (Henderson, Ducie, and Oeno Islands)

Caribbean: Anguilla, Bermuda, British Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands, Montserrat, Turks and Caicos Islands

 

41 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Europeans are the nationalists, every European on here has opposed immigration. I support open borders. Greenland needs freed from the european colonizers

We need to penalize nationalist colonizers like Europeans. If they're not willing to pay up then we should absolutely remove their leaders, they're fascists.

 

The UK has come to their senses and sided with the U.S. on this by seizing Venezuelan tankers with us.

 

LIBERATE EUROPE!!!!!

Oh okay, you are serious.

We don't need your liberation.
We don't need American fascism designed to hide its own. Fascists always claim the other side is doing what they do to justify their own actions. Its what children do, and they haven't grown out of it. 

Meanwhile, you are threatening canada, mexico and greenland and somehow claiming to be justified. The UK has come to their senses and helped attack a country? What the hell are you trying to argue here? Yay, one step closer to WW3? This is something to celebrate? This is delusional warmongering.

Most of these countries or regions you describe are perfectly happy as they are, certainly the UK backed ones, they are often given referendums when asked, security guarantees, and get to enjoy a better quality of life. Yes, free Greenland, a relatively happy population, into American guns. 

A European Army and nuclear proliferation in Europe can't come quickly enough. If this is the world we are up against. Americans and other authoritarian powers seizing whatever they like, and calling it liberation with a straight face, 

I hate fascists generally, but American ones take the cake, as they claim to be better than they are or doing it for someone else's good. At least the Russian ones just shoot you.

Edited 6 hours ago by BlueOak

[Elliott]

Just now, BlueOak said:

 

Oh okay, you are serious.

We don't need your liberation.
We don't need American fascism designed to hide its own. Fascists always claim the other side is doing what they do to justify their own actions. Its what children do, and they haven't grown out of it. 

Meanwhile, you are threatening canada, mexico and greenland and somehow claiming to be justified. The UK has come to their senses and helped attack a country? What the hell are you trying to argue here? Yay, one step closer to WW3? This is something to celebrate? This is delusional warmongering.

Most of these countries you describe are perfectly happy as they are, certainly the UK ones, they are often given referendums when asked. Yes, free greenland, a relatively happy population into American guns. 

A European Army and nuclear proliferation in Europe can't come quickly enough. If this is the world we are up against. Americans and other authoritarian powers seizing whatever they like, and calling it liberation with a straight face, 

Quit being foolish, you're brainwashed by nationalists.

 

Europe is a nazi continent, colonizers

 

France CURRENT colonies

Guadeloupe: Caribbean

Martinique: Caribbean

French Guiana: South America

Réunion: Indian Ocean

Mayotte: Indian Ocean

Overseas Collectivities (COM)

These have more autonomy but are still part of France. 

French Polynesia: Pacific Ocean

New Caledonia: Pacific Ocean (Special Status)

Wallis and Futuna: Pacific Ocean

Saint Barthélemy: Caribbean

Saint Martin: Caribbean (Northern part)

Saint Pierre and Miquelon: North Atlantic

Other Overseas Territories

French Southern and Antarctic Lands (TAAF): Indian Ocean/Antarctica (uninhabited, research)

 

 

Netherlands

Bonaire,

Sint Eustatius,

 Saba.

Aruba.

Curaçao.

Sint Maarten.

 

Spain

Canary Islands: In the Eastern Atlantic Ocean (e.g., Tenerife, Gran Canaria).

Autonomous Cities in Africa: Ceuta and Melilla, on the North African coast.

Plazas de Soberanía: Small islands off the African coast like Islas Chafarinas, Alhucemas, and Peñón de Vélez de la Gomera. 

 

 

 

[BlueOak]

@Elliott
Liberal democracies are as far away from nazi's as you can get.
There a small growing nationalist sentiment, thanks to Russia, and the USA descending into fascism. But even national flags are often taken down, something I don't agree with, due to the large MIGRANT population in these countries. You don't even have a grasp on what you are talking about. 

Open borders woo woo. How to inspire nationalism, by putting in ten times net migrants than we were doing in decades gone by, so communities destabalise and order breaks down. Its why Russia sends so many over the border and Poland is forced to shoot them.

Simply listing names does nothing. You've given me no context for how the people in these countries feel, or does that not matter?  No indication of the quality of their lives. Would you like me to list the many countries the US has 'liberated', or the people your country has killed so it can get a bit more oil or trade revenue? GD its like a return to team America world police, only now its the Team America: Steal All We Can Get Solo Mafia version.

I never thought you were this far gone. And by that I mean the 'opposition' to maga. 

Edited 6 hours ago by BlueOak

[Sincerity]

Again, trumpism and right-wing dogmatism will not be allowed on the forum. Or any severe dogmatism for that matter.

Let's uphold some standards here. 

[zazen]

1 hour ago, Elliott said:

You fascist nazi colonizers are so blind, you believe everything your handlers tell you.

DOWN WITH EUROPEAN NATIONALISM!!! REGIME CHANGE NOW!!!!!

 

CURRENT U.K. colonies

Atlantic: Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands

Europe: Gibraltar, Sovereign Base Areas of Akrotiri and Dhekelia (Cyprus)

Indian Ocean: British Indian Ocean Territory

Pacific: Pitcairn Islands (Henderson, Ducie, and Oeno Islands)

Caribbean: Anguilla, Bermuda, British Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands, Montserrat, Turks and Caicos Islands

lol true there are colonial leftovers. But now go over current US vassals.

https://files.libcom.org/files/Michael Hudson - Super Imperialism - New Edition_ The Origin and Fundamentals of U.S. World Dominance (2003).compressed.pdf

What European island today has more impact on the world than the US dollar along with its financial WMD ie sanctions it can unilaterally impose on countries unwilling to subordinate - that a subordinate European continent tags along with?

US’s global leverage is maintained through a monopolised financial system backstopped by force or the threat of it via US naval policing and 700+ bases. That’s the imperial arrangement.

Both Europeans and Americans are scapegoating each other as the “real” imperial culprit, when in reality they co-created, benefited from, and enforced the same world order for decades. Moral finger wagging at each other is to blameshift and maintain their self image - because majority of the world can see this arrangement clearer than ever and more importantly - actually have some teeth and leverage to extricate themselves from it.

That order no longer maps onto material reality. It’s being structurally challenged by rising powers making it brittle rather than dominant. Former European great powers, already post-imperial, are now tagging along a fading superpower that is trying to prevent decline. The US is moving from leadership to consolidation due to pressure and increasingly willing to cannibalize allies to preserve primacy. That’s why transatlantic unity is fracturing.

It’s 15% of the world fighting to maintain primacy and privilege vs a 85% that are now contesting it.

 

Edited 6 hours ago by zazen