The US potentially attacking Europe

[Ulax]

I saw a video by Vlad Vexler. He said that we are seeing Trump move the US away from seeking International Power and towards seeking regional power. Seems greenland is part of that.

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48 minutes ago, AerisVahnEphelia said:

The USA is going to wake up completely isolated

The US isn't isolating. The US is coordinating with other nations and private interests. This is a global conspiracy and it looks like US imperialism is part of the plan. The US will no longer be top dog, but the plans are for the US (what's left of it) to be the face of the destruction of democracy around the globe. It's all show though, the US isn't calling the shots. Global corruption.

[AerisVahnEphelia]

14 minutes ago, Breathe said:

The US isn't isolating. The US is coordinating with other nations and private interests. This is a global conspiracy and it looks like US imperialism is part of the plan. The US will no longer be top dog, but the plans are for the US (what's left of it) to be the face of the destruction of democracy around the globe. It's all show though, the US isn't calling the shots. Global corruption.

that's one conspiracy possibility, or everyone is extremly smart as you make it be, or everyone is way more retarded than you think.

[Basman]

2 minutes ago, AerisVahnEphelia said:

that's one conspiracy possibility, or everyone is extremly smart as you make it be, or everyone is way more retarded than you think.

The latter when you consider how they are creating a less safe, less prosperous and less wealthy society.

There are issues with technocratic centrism, but that doesn't mean upending the system entirely is a viable solution. But it would probably be giving authoritarians too much credit to think it's well intended. It's about enabling narcissism.

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1 hour ago, AerisVahnEphelia said:

or everyone is extremly smart as you make it be, or everyone is way more retarded than you think

I'd say get real clear on that

[Lord of Darkness]

On 1/7/2026 at 11:53 AM, ted73104 said:

The US has yet to conquer Venezuela. Even if the US does succeed in taking over Venezuela in a short time, it'll take 10 years to build the infrastructure to extract all that oil. By that time the Republicans would probably not be in power anymore and Venezuela could just take over the built infrastructure and nationalize it just like they did before.

I don't think China is just going to do nothing if Venezuela gets invaded either.

No. Its gonna take a year and a half. 

[Lord of Darkness]

On 1/7/2026 at 1:20 PM, zazen said:

Reality isn’t purely material darwinianism and law of the jungle. Might makes right is pre-concious,  although utopian liberals think being concious means rejecting the reality of power/survival dynamics existing or that they are above it.

Power needs to be buffered by principles that come from our own conscience intuition of what is “right” and “wrong”.

A lot of the right wing just want to default to our animal nature because it’s simpler than dealing with the complexity of having to nurture nature to more humane ends that actually create civilization.

Its efficiency. Commities=bloat. Authoritah =decisions. UN is nothing but bloat. Power does not stand vacum, something is gonna fill it. Venezuela had unfortunate massive oil reserves, could not process them, so it was forced to process them, could venezuela be its own little paradise without it? Who knows, in global competition aztecs were evicted and replaced, we were to be more civilised now... but recent events are quite disillusioning....

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@Lord of Darkness I envy your screen-name

[Basman]

1 hour ago, Lord of Darkness said:

Its efficiency. Commities=bloat. Authoritah =decisions. UN is nothing but bloat. Power does not stand vacum, something is gonna fill it. Venezuela had unfortunate massive oil reserves, could not process them, so it was forced to process them, could venezuela be its own little paradise without it? Who knows, in global competition aztecs were evicted and replaced, we were to be more civilised now... but recent events are quite disillusioning....

This has nothing to do with efficiency. Trump has no plan for running Venezuela. It's pure theatrics. 

[zazen]

On 1/7/2026 at 0:11 PM, Elliott said:

How is that "post truth"? Might makes right, it's just reality, right is subjective.

Power and survival dynamics which are instinctual and reflexive are reality - and to buffer against that harsh reality humans reflected and created constructs such as law and norms. The reality of power precedes principle, but principle redeems power. Consciousness nurtures the unconsciousness of nature.

That management of power and survival dynamics is conditional - civilization is a subscription we continuously pay for with human effort and isn't a end product utopia. Once those conditions deteriorate due to mismanagement or structural shifts then the base reality of power and survival re-assert themselves. This happened at Russia's red line in Ukraine, will happen at China's red line in Taiwan - and has not happened at any red line for the US. 

This move isn't national security but empire in-security - at their position in the system being challenged by rising powers demanding a more equitable world order - where one nation and it's allies don't have veto power to unilaterally sanction anyone that doesn't subordinate themselves to Western interests.

Edited Friday at 02:18 PM by zazen

[zazen]

On 1/6/2026 at 3:18 PM, zazen said:

Europe has all the ingredients to be powerful yet it isn't considered a great power because it has no unity or ability to command that power - specifically militarily.  And military is the hardest dimension of power and sovereignty which they outsourced. To resolve inter-Euro rivalries after the world wars US took the lead in the security domain via NATO - no Euro nation trusts the other to lead so they sub-ordinated that function to a allied superpower placing them under its security umbrella. The fact that this superpower is across the pond and may have its own interests means it can use Europe for its own geopolitical adventures in containing rivals (Russia) and not have to suffer the consequences.

Europe isn't a great power because it refuses the moral and political costs of being one. It's structurally paralyzed because the position to lead the military command would be contested between France, Germany and UK which also disbanded via Brexit. Unity is just noise without a command - armies don't function on consensus but authority. A company can have multiple stakeholders or directors but only one CEO. In a military showdown you can't wait to get consensus from 27 capitals with 27 different threat perceptions and 27 different domestic political situations. A army needs a hierarchy designed to make violent decisions faster than the other side. Consensus is a luxury only democratic civilians can enjoy.

NATO isn't even European defense exactly but is American command of European forces - with the assumption that the US will lead those forces in a direction that benefits European interests and security. If US and European interests diverge - Europe's security architecture is still beholden to being US led via NATO. US also has a kill switch to the military eco system Europe depends on. If the US wanted to take Greenland what could Europe actually do? Militarily not much due to that dependency and operational paralysis around who would lead the charge against the US anyway. The first to take US's side would be Atlanticist Britain, then what? All they could do is political (protest with words) or economic (sanctions and decoupling) which assures tanking the continent.

This is why it's important to have military sovereignty but also never have total dependence on a single power, but instead play them off and spread the risk. In a way this is what India has done - it hedges itself by maintaining economic ties with China, energy and military ties with Russia, and both military and economic ties to the US along with its tech stack. That allows it a level of strategic autonomy Europe doesn't have despite Europe being much more richer and advanced than India.

Biggest obstacle beyond a domestic military industry is unity and leadership that isn’t contested:

How US neutered domestic Euro military sovereignty:

 

Edited 20 hours ago by zazen

[Jannes]

5 hours ago, zazen said:

How US neutered domestic Euro military sovereignty:

 

I would add that Europe didnt ask the US to built such a ridiciously strong military and to intervene globally so much. But if they do it by themselves then its only reasonable to lay back a bit. 

I guess in the cold war it was neccessary to arm up that much and they kind of went with that status of being a global superpower. 

[Elliott]

Europeans are the nationalists, every European on here has opposed immigration. I support open borders. Greenland needs freed from the european colonizers

We need to penalize nationalist colonizers like Europeans. If they're not willing to pay up then we should absolutely remove their leaders, they're fascists.

 

The UK has come to their senses and sided with the U.S. on this by seizing Venezuelan tankers with us.

 

LIBERATE EUROPE!!!!!

Edited 26 minutes ago by Elliott

[BlueOak]

@Elliott
I'm guessing you are trolling again. Though sometimes its hard to tell, America has gone so nuts these last few years.
 

[Elliott]

6 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

@Elliott
I'm guessing you are trolling again. Though sometimes its hard to tell, America has gone so nuts these last few years.
 

You fascist colonizers are so blind, you believe everything your handlers tell you.

DOWN WITH EUROPEAN NATIONALISM!!! REGIME CHANGE NOW!!!!!

 

CURRENT U.K. colonies

Atlantic: Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands

Europe: Gibraltar, Sovereign Base Areas of Akrotiri and Dhekelia (Cyprus)

Indian Ocean: British Indian Ocean Territory

Pacific: Pitcairn Islands (Henderson, Ducie, and Oeno Islands)

Caribbean: Anguilla, Bermuda, British Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands, Montserrat, Turks and Caicos Islands

Edited 1 minute ago by Elliott