Why the US wants to steal Venezuela's oil& resources?

[Daniel Balan]

I've realised that the US is as big of a pig as Russia! Why on earth the US is now trying to steal the oil of the powerless Venezuela? 

This makes me wanna throw up. Doesn't the US have endless money? Can't they buy the damn oil fairy? 

I've never would have thought that I would start to buy into Russian narratives. This means that the filthy westerners have also done that in Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran and eastern Europe after the collapse of the communist regime.

I've never would have thought that I would buy into Russian narratives, but what the US is doing now in Venezuela makes me sick. 

[Ishanga]

Check out Economic HItman by John Perkins, the US has been doing this for decades...old news...there's probably more going on to than just oil..

[Recursoinominado]

Money may be "limitless", but natural resources aren't. 

All modern societies run on petrol; it is a very valuable and limited resource. 

Even if the US has a lot petrol and enough money, it isn't enough to keep things running smoothly at low prices to the population.

For example, if gas prices increase, people get mad, blame the government, and those in power lose approval/votes and, as a consequence, lose power.

Invading/bullying weak countries is the more straightforward solution for the US. 

[BlueOak]

There is a cold war on. Which gets hotter by the month.
Venzula is aligned with BRICS. Europe and America's opponents.

See every conflict with that lens as its base and its easy to understand.

Of course those involved have their own reasons also that shouldn't be ignored. As do the regions, but that is a factor in most currrent and coming world conflicts 2026 - 2027 and however long it takes for people to realise this is incredibly stupid.

The ones doing so will not be quoting X country is bad, X country is better, and instead looking for or offering a solution - when enough of these people exist things will calm down, until then ww3 is on the cards.

 

 

Edited 22 hours ago by BlueOak

[Daniel Balan]

You guys know what I think right now? Maybe Putin is the good guy and America and the west are the devils. Maybe Putin is right when he tells that The US and the West want Russia to collapse so that western multi nationals can then rob Russia of its oil, gas and resources. 

[Daniel Balan]

19 minutes ago, Recursoinominado said:

Money may be "limitless", but natural resources aren't. 

All modern societies run on petrol; it is a very valuable and limited resource. 

Even if the US has a lot petrol and enough money, it isn't enough to keep things running smoothly at low prices to the population.

For example, if gas prices increase, people get mad, blame the government, and those in power lose approval/votes and, as a consequence, lose power.

Invading/bullying weak countries is the more straightforward solution for the US. 

Yea but money can then be used by the Venezuela's government to buy things and goods that it lacks. 

[BlueOak]

4 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

You guys know what I think right now? Maybe Putin is the good guy and America and the west are the devils. Maybe Putin is right when he tells that The US and the West want Russia to collapse so that western multi nationals can then rob Russia of its oil, gas and resources. 

You know what I think. Bombing nurseries, sexually assaulting women in captured territories, torture, assassination, pardoning criminals, firing tanks at old men walking down the road and hundreds of years of Russian aggression, meddling in politics and every horror I can possibly name don't make anyone good. Oh but its alright they got back about 5 of the tens of thousands of Ukranian kids Putin abducted.

GD now you've got me doing it.

This bad.
This good.

Just let's get past it to what comes next. And build a world that isn't on fire.

Edited 22 hours ago by BlueOak

[Daniel Balan]

@BlueOak Bro if you remember I was on your side everytime you debated @zazen. Don't come at me with shit like this. I am profoundly pro liberal democracy and anti-Putin. 

I was at work today and during work I think a lot, and I connected some dots in my head while seeing how Venezuela is being downright threatened with invasion in order to give up its oil. 

I thought then that if the US is doing that to little Venezuela, this means that if they could, they would love to do the same to Russia, and what Putin is doing right now is his strategy to avoid Russia being bullied the same way Venezuela is being bullied right now.

[Elliott]

Right wing of every country is like this, Russia only has a right wing. You can't trust the u.s..

Edited 22 hours ago by Elliott

[Daniel Balan]

9 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

You know what I think. Bombing nurseries, sexually assaulting women in captured territories, torture, assassination, pardoning criminals, firing tanks at old men walking down the road and hundreds of years of Russian aggression, meddling in politics and every horror I can possibly name don't make anyone good. 

And you know what? If I were Putin and I would know that the west will do the same with Russia as they do now with Venezuela, I would have done exactly the same as he does. 

[Recursoinominado]

9 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

Yea but money can then be used by the Venezuela's government to buy things and goods that it lacks. 

They already sell it, mainly to China (85%) and even a bit to the US.

It's not only about buying and selling, but also about denying your enemies essential resources. 

[BlueOak]

2 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

And you know what? If I were Putin and I would know that the west will do the same with Russia as they do now with Venezuela, I would have done exactly the same as he does. 

The US would never have had the political leverage or capital to do this to venezula without Russia and BRICS killing Ukranians for several years. The entirity of Europe would have condemned it like the world did Israel.

World tension is high. People can more easily justify wars on the opposing parties.

Besides which invading Russia is suicidal. Invading Venezuela is like picking on a tiny kid at school, a bit like China picking on Taiwan.

[BlueOak]

15 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

@BlueOak Bro if you remember I was on your side everytime you debated @zazen. Don't come at me with shit like this. I am profoundly pro liberal democracy and anti-Putin. 

I was at work today and during work I think a lot, and I connected some dots in my head while seeing how Venezuela is being downright threatened with invasion in order to give up its oil. 

I thought then that if the US is doing that to little Venezuela, this means that if they could, they would love to do the same to Russia, and what Putin is doing right now is his strategy to avoid Russia being bullied the same way Venezuela is being bullied right now.

I am no fan of the US. I think they are close to being an aggressive autocracy, which I loathe.
Better or worse don't come into war much in my thoughts. War is hell.
But when you come with language like Russia is good, after all i've seen them do, I'll certainly push back every time.

I've been trying to convince people that world has shifted right for about 25 years mate. And this is the end result of it, a world war. 
All of these leaders are imbalanced. Democrat and republican alike. The 'left' even in the UK is barely centrist these days.

Edited 21 hours ago by BlueOak

[Daniel Balan]

10 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

The US would never have had the political leverage or capital to do this to venezula without Russia and BRICS killing Ukranians for several years. The entirity of Europe would have condemned it like the world did Israel.

World tension is high. People can more easily justify wars on the opposing parties.

Besides which invading Russia is suicidal. Invading Venezuela is like picking on a tiny kid at school, a bit like China picking on Taiwan.

Isn't the US trying to do coup d'etas for over 2 decades in Venezuela? In order to successfully steal its resources? 

Do you think Putin is dumb? If Putin wouldn't have turned Russia into a total dictatorship the US would have tried doing coups in Russia too. And you can't sell the same bullshit narative that you can sell about Venezuela, that Venezuela's state enterprises can't properly extract the oil, because the Russian oligarchs that own the enterprises that produce Russia's oil are very efficient at extracting and refining oil, Western companies aren't necessary in Russia because Russia can handle the oil extraction business flawlessly already.

Edited 21 hours ago by Daniel Balan

[Ishanga]

All the countries are corrupt, don't be fooled, the politicians and ones above them, see the big picture here, not the tiny one with Venezuela and their Oil, its so much bigger than that than Putin vs Trump or America vs China/Russia and all others.. The World is in bad shape, we the masses suffer mostly for it..

 

[BlueOak]

@Daniel Balan

Its not complicated.
Narratives are all BS for the masses. To keep you thinking good and bad exists. When its just about power, and what people can do.

Venezula wants to give China control over one of the most valuable resources on the planet. Oil. They have openly mocked the US for a long time publicly. The US won't have that in its backyard. Because large countries throw their weight around. Russia vs Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova, Chechnya, etc., Like China in the south China sea, tibet, East Turkestan, Taiwan etc.

Without a unipolar world, the larger countries are doing whatever they want.
Previously the US could, now they all do.

Regional powers are doing it to, look at Syria, again, its everyone's land to carve up now apparently: Turkey, Israel, Isis, Iran, the Kurds, Russia, America.

 

[Daniel Balan]

1 minute ago, Ishanga said:

All the countries are corrupt, don't be fooled, the politicians and ones above them, see the big picture here, not the tiny one with Venezuela and their Oil, its so much bigger than that than Putin vs Trump or America vs China/Russia and all others.. The World is in bad shape, we the masses suffer mostly for it..

 

You know what? Maybe Putin saw that the west want to capture Ukraine and then steal all of its resources and thats why he invaded because after all Russia has invested for over 300 years into Ukraine to build its infrastructure, and for Putin this was a red line. And besides after Ukraine would be colonized by the west Russia itself was up for grabs too. 

I can't believe that 6 hours ago I couldn't now have believed what kind of perspective I have now on this war. This morning I was profoundly anti Putin but today at work, ruminating about the Venezuela issue, I have connected in my head these dots that have led me to arrive at this conclusion.

[Daniel Balan]

4 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

@Daniel Balan

Its not complicated.
Narratives are all BS for the masses. To keep you thinking good and bad exists. When its just about power, and what people can do.

Venezula wants to give China control over one of the most valuable resources on the planet. Oil. They have openly mocked the US for a long time publicly. The US won't have that in its backyard. Because large countries throw their weight around. Russia vs Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova, Chechnya, etc., Like China in the south China sea, tibet, East Turkestan, Taiwan etc.

Without a unipolar world, the larger countries are doing whatever they want.
Previously the US could, now they all do.

Regional powers are doing it to, look at Syria, again, its everyone's land to carve up now apparently: Turkey, Israel, Isis, Iran, the Kurds, Russia, America.

 

Good, I understand that, but then why the US is meddling in Russia's backyard when the US is so annoyed and vindictive when China is meddling in its back yard? 

I thought that every country has the right to choose its own alliances. If Ukraine wants to join the west then Venezuela is allowed to give its oil to China. Or is it the case that Trump's mother had vomited that oil in Venezuela's ground and now the US is entitled to invade Venezuela and take it back?

This is utter hypocrisy! It makes me sick to my core.

[BlueOak]

2 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

Good, I understand that, but then why the US is meddling in Russia's backyard when the US is so annoyed and vindictive when China is meddling in its back yard? 

I thought that every country has the right to choose its own alliances. If Ukraine wants to join the west then Venezuela is allowed to give its oil to China. Or is it the case that Trump's mother had vomited that oil in Venezuela's ground and now the US is entitled to invade Venezuela and take it back?

This is utter hypocrisy! It makes me sick to my core.

NATO Is a defensive alliance. Ukraine was westernising. They wanted to move beyond where Russia is.

Their population were of sufficient consciousness to protest against a stage blue oppression, and when they did, Putin had them executed on mass or beaten in the streets. This started a war. Mostly because the Russian government is horribly incompetent at managing any kind of dynamic population or social pressure.

The US has been AGAINST involement in Ukraine. Trump repeatedly wants to pull back, and given Russia what it wants. Biden was softly softly, whereas Eastern Europe, used to centuries of Russian invasion and meddling in their countries saw the pattern early and called for aid. Without it, there would already have been a wider war, with those countries involved in a fight that directly effects their own people.

There is no hypocrisy. Countries take what they can. The more that openly do it, the easier it is for others to justify it. This is how a world war comes about.

Be sick but don't start thinking Russia isn't just as bad as any power doing it. No war is justified. End of.

[Ishanga]

14 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

You know what? Maybe Putin saw that the west want to capture Ukraine and then steal all of its resources and thats why he invaded because after all Russia has invested for over 300 years into Ukraine to build its infrastructure, and for Putin this was a red line. And besides after Ukraine would be colonized by the west Russia itself was up for grabs too. 

I can't believe that 6 hours ago I couldn't now have believed what kind of perspective I have now on this war. This morning I was profoundly anti Putin but today at work, ruminating about the Venezuela issue, I have connected in my head these dots that have led me to arrive at this conclusion.

I remember watching the Oliver Stone interviews with Putin and Putin can sell a good story for sure, he'll make You think this way, and it may be true, but all the politicians want power, and they are not in charge really.. War is a money making machine, the one's behind the war machine are cashing in big time, doesn't matter the war or what it is about or the individual leaders involved, its still stupid and their most all psychopaths', as our the elites above them.. so its not really about things of this nature, trying to restore old glory, resources and shit like this, its a much bigger issue at play here..