Why the US wants to steal Venezuela's oil& resources?

[Elliott]

2 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

https://www.amazon.com/Imperialism-Highest-Stage-Capitalism-Vladimir/dp/1614271909/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=MUVICS68G54L&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.DxLGVrO7wuaTdbf4tnmcXTO_Qtc4uSOwf6mJcqhs-OKNAh0xndffXlkRAVlaMQdjMV-19-kkTA4kJq92ceiAsMbRryFWr6YybA106XD8EftxOLewjDkDPnwdfNZ1hWF6cuwYRHL9-Zb0rktfNI_WG_LIMX31uYMeWUYAN1W8aI_dhKwACfGzmJiwoV9jnX4XqJ3p66NBP1WvOtih7lhL5Q.cyF8pqaHuKIRQw6Yeb0jyL32hEOnjWWD3wNjjEnb3kY&dib_tag=se&keywords=Imperialism%2C+the+Highest+Stage+of+Capitalism&qid=1766087829&s=books&sprefix=Imperialism%2C+the+Highest+Stage+of+Capitalism%2Cbooks%2C472&sr=1-1 🎁

Lenin was an Imperialist, USSR under Lenin was Imperialist

[Daniel Balan]

22 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

https://www.amazon.com/Imperialism-Highest-Stage-Capitalism-Vladimir/dp/1614271909/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=MUVICS68G54L&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.DxLGVrO7wuaTdbf4tnmcXTO_Qtc4uSOwf6mJcqhs-OKNAh0xndffXlkRAVlaMQdjMV-19-kkTA4kJq92ceiAsMbRryFWr6YybA106XD8EftxOLewjDkDPnwdfNZ1hWF6cuwYRHL9-Zb0rktfNI_WG_LIMX31uYMeWUYAN1W8aI_dhKwACfGzmJiwoV9jnX4XqJ3p66NBP1WvOtih7lhL5Q.cyF8pqaHuKIRQw6Yeb0jyL32hEOnjWWD3wNjjEnb3kY&dib_tag=se&keywords=Imperialism%2C+the+Highest+Stage+of+Capitalism&qid=1766087829&s=books&sprefix=Imperialism%2C+the+Highest+Stage+of+Capitalism%2Cbooks%2C472&sr=1-1 🎁

Who wrote that, Nikita Khrushchev? 

[Schizophonia]

24 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Lenin was an Imperialist, USSR under Lenin was Imperialist

There was an invasion of the new Polish state in an attempt to impose Bolshevism.

We can think what we want of this intervention but imperialism is a spoiling venture; which was not at all Lenin's objective.

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[Elliott]

6 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

There was an invasion of the new Polish state in an attempt to impose Bolshevism.

We can think what we want of this intervention but imperialism is a spoiling venture; Lenine is an anti imperialist

If you like to be wrong....

 

Key military invasions during Lenin's time included:

Ukraine Soviet forces invaded the newly independent Ukrainian People's Republic multiple times during the Russian Civil War, eventually establishing the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic.

The Caucasus The Red Army invaded and occupied several Transcaucasian states:

Azerbaijan in April 1920.

Armenia in late 1920.

Georgia in February 1921.

Poland The Red Army invaded Poland during the Polish-Soviet War (1919-1921), with the goal of spreading the communist revolution westward, though they were ultimately defeated at the Battle of Warsaw.

Baltic States Soviet Russia attempted to invade Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania, but these countries successfully repelled the invasions and secured their independence (for a time).

Central Asia The Red Army fought against national movements and anti-Bolshevik resistance in Central Asia, with the goal of establishing Soviet control, a process that lasted until the late 1920s. 

[Schizophonia]

12 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

Who wrote that, Nikita Khrushchev? 

Vladimir Lenin; the most known communist thinker after Marx and Engels; and the one who sponsored rusian revolution and who ruled URSS some years before dying. 

[Schizophonia]

4 minutes ago, Elliott said:

If you like to be wrong....

And you have the right not to know how to read.

 

I didn't deny that Lenin was an interventionist and invaded states; I denied that it was for imperialist purposes.

 

[Elliott]

16 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

And you have the right not to know how to read.

I didn't deny that Lenin was an interventionist and invaded states; I denied that it was for imperialist purposes.

Intervention would be leaving the nations with autonomy, taking control of them, as Lenin did is de facto imperialism.

Soviet Russia could not survive without Baku's vital oil reserves, making control of the region a strategic necessity for Lenin 

It's convenient that their altruistic intervention was at a time when 5 million Russians were starving.... thinking of others while you starve, so dreamy!

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[Schizophonia]

2 hours ago, Elliott said:

Intervention would be leaving the nations with autonomy, taking control of them, as Lenin did is de facto imperialism.

De facto of nothing because Imperialism is just a word to which we give a meaning and I've been using the one given by Lenin this whole time.

The topic is about the invasion of states by the United States for their resources; I posted this book because it is what Lenin was talking about when using this term; and there is no hypocrisy because the invasions of the Soviet Union—whatever one may think of them—have no pecuniary interest.

In the sense of personal benefits for a class of people.

The United States wages war because of lobbyists; that's essentially what Lenin described. There were no lobbyists in the Soviet Union, nor was there ethnic domination.

Here you're associating warmongering with imperialism; but we don't care what you think because we're not playing with the notion of imperialism you have in your head, but with Lenin's one.

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Soviet Russia could not survive without Baku's vital oil reserves, making control of the region a strategic necessity for Lenin 

It's convenient that their altruistic intervention was at a time when 5 million Russians were starving.... thinking of others while you starve, so dreamy!

Just because you stop waging war doesn't mean production will magically rebound; the USSR wasn't operating in a war economy like it was against Germany.

But as you yourself say, there is a geostrategic interest in these interventions.

It's a case of "the end justifies the means," as Trotsky would say.

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[Daniel Balan]

@SchizophoniaBrother, What was the former name of the state that Lenin took over? Tell me that, but slowly.

[Schizophonia]

Just now, Daniel Balan said:

@SchizophoniaBrother, What was the former name of the state that Lenin took over? Tell me that, but slowly.

What do you mean. 

 

[Daniel Balan]

@SchizophoniaBefore Lenin named the Russian state the Soviet Union, what was the name of the Russian state in 1916?

[Elliott]

9 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

De facto of nothing because Imperialism is just a word to which we give a meaning and I've been using the one given by Lenin this whole time.

The topic is about the invasion of states by the United States for their resources; I posted this book because it is what Lenin was talking about when using this term; and there is no hypocrisy because the invasions of the Soviet Union—whatever one may think of them—have no pecuniary interest.

In the sense of personal benefits for a class of people.

Lenin starved 5 million of the peasant class FOR his imperialism. You're mistaking power for not being as desired as material desires.

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[Schizophonia]

Just now, Daniel Balan said:

@SchizophoniaBefore Lenin named the Russian state the Soviet Union, what was the name of the Russian state in 1916?

It was a giant, cold, reactionary shithole under a constitutional monarchy.

Russia did not become the Soviet Union; the Soviet Union was a federation like the United States, and Russia was a state.

The Russian Soviet Socialist Republic

[Schizophonia]

7 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Lenin starved 5 million of the peasant class FOR his imperialism.

Indeed Lenin made a mistake; he should have pulled the elder wand out of his ass and fixed the collapse in production caused by World War I, the Civil War, and the droughts.

Meanwhile in the following decade Stalin's USSR experienced has been the greatest growth in population, living standards, and industrialization in modern history with the semi-planned economy of Deng Xiaoping's China.

And you say this as if I were some great defender of Lenin; all I did was post a book of his that addresses the issue raised by OP.

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[Daniel Balan]

@SchizophoniaI will spell the name for you. From Vladivostok to Warsaw, from the arctic circle to the middle east, the name in 1916 was Tzarist Russia, or better known, The Russian Empire. Lenin inherited the largest empire of the world. 

[Schizophonia]

12 hours ago, Daniel Balan said:

@SchizophoniaI will spell the name for you. From Vladivostok to Warsaw, from the arctic circle to the middle east, the name in 1916 was Tzarist Russia, or better known, The Russian Empire. Lenin inherited the largest empire of the world. 

What are you getting at

 

[Daniel Balan]

@Schizophonia I'm hinting at the fact that you don't get any more imperialistic than USSR. Furthermore, until Stalin died, USSR treated the occupied eastern Europe the same way the british treated their African colonies. The soviets robbed eastern Europe of its resources until Stalin died.

[Schizophonia]

25 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

@Schizophonia I'm hinting at the fact that you don't get any more imperialistic than USSR.

 

Imperialism means the exploitation and oppression of one people by another; carrying out a coup d'état is not imperialism.

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Furthermore, until Stalin died,

 

Stalin isn't USSR, even less communism/marxism.

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USSR treated the occupied eastern Europe the same way the british treated their African colonies. The soviets robbed eastern Europe of its resources until Stalin died.

Stalin did not "steal" Eastern Europe, eastern europe developed under communism; you can say that Stalin was a dictator and that the Eastern Bloc countries were de facto satellite states yes, but they weren't colonies and these states industrialized.
China was broken up into several random states controlled by warlords so the western countries could sell goods especially opium; drugs lol; that's an example of imperialism, as Lenin meant.
India wasn't even colonized by the British state but by the British East India Company which was basically the equivalent of FedEx today lol.

Then there was the random partitioning of Africa, the settlement of Ashkenazi Jews in Palestine, Rohingya in Burma etc.

There was the displacement of Chechens in the USSR because Stalin was afraid of their nationalism and nationalisms in general; but again it was Stalin and this was denounced and reversed by Khrushchev after Stalin's death.

 

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[Daniel Balan]

@Schizophonia Ok, I'm openminded, but I still believe USSR was a textbook example of empire. They collonized the people of eastern Europe ideologically, they collonized the people who had capital and property and redistributed the land and the resources of the bourgeoisie to the lazy and unproductive. They collonized eastern Europe with north Korea style secret police, ineffective central planning and a total backward dictatorship. Furthermore, the industrialization was planned catastrophically, thus freezing eastern Europe for 50 years, after the collapse of the ussr, eastern Europe was after collonialism, the industry was bankrupt, people were starving, queueing for bread and clothes etc. 

Only after a colonialist empire there are such economic outcomes, easter Europe was in the same state as was a conquered city state after the retreat of the Roman empire back in ancient times, while Western Europe advanced industrially, economically, politically during the second half of the 20th century, after 1990, eastern Europe had to go back to square one to rebuild and create efficient industry, agriculture, manufacturing etc and the process is still a lot behind compared to western Europe. All of that because communism created only inefficient and without any economical fundation industrialization. When the communism collapsed, the local population had no capital whatsoever to start rebuilding, thanks to the communist "non imperialism" political framework. 

If freezing in place half a continent for almost 50 years is not the highest form of collonialism, I think I will give up.

 

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[Elliott]

This is what the u.s. "rescuing" Venezuelans(bus full of hostages) will look like