Leo do you still stand by this ?

[Loveeee]

2022 clip from a 2018 video

[cistanche_enjoyer]

If this seems strange to you, it’s probably because you are still too attached to your ego… but also here the word “soul” in the title I’m not very sure is appropriate 

[Hojo]

It has too. Now or later. Thats what infinity means, it dosent end ever. Even if you just want to live the same life 1 million times you will still live the other ones, now or later.

Imagine you have a harddrive with infinite games. You can play skyrim for 1 million years and the game where you fall into a meat grinder is there. You really dont want to play it infinite time passes and you see that game still sitting there, it starts to haunt you and starts to ruin your experience of skyrim.

Edited Wednesday at 10:08 PM by Hojo

[Leo Gura]

I wouldn't take it too literally.

Infinity is all things, but it doesn't necessarily unfold in a simplistic linear series of lifetimes.

The broader point here was to communicate how limited your mind is by only thinking within your personal lifetime of experience. You need to be thinking much more broadly, as if you were going to be all people.

It's sort of like John Rawls' Original Position thought experiment.

Edited Wednesday at 10:42 PM by Leo Gura

[Vibes]

1 hour ago, Hojo said:

It has too. Now or later. Thats what infinity means, it dosent end ever. Even if you just want to live the same life 1 million times you will still live the other ones, now or later.

Imagine you have a harddrive with infinite games. You can play skyrim for 1 million years and the game where you fall into a meat grinder is there. You really dont want to play it infinite time passes and you see that game still sitting there, it starts to haunt you and starts to ruin your experience of skyrim.

But since it's infinite, how can you not able to skip the bad ones so to speak? I could always choose a better one out of infinity possibilities, why should I want to experience falling into a meat grinder, I can already imagine it very vividly, every centimeter of pain and horror, but I prefer better lifetimes... Of course, as an afraid human right now I say that. Maybe out of curiosity I could want to have the full experience because only imagining it vividly is not the same as it being a reality, a reality would be much richer experience. Now it's where love for experiencing enters, isn't it? I can sense sometimes.

Edited Wednesday at 11:03 PM by Vibes

[Leo Gura]

16 minutes ago, Vibes said:

skip the bad ones so to speak?

1) There is no bad from God's POV. So no reason to skip anything.

2) Obviously you see many people suffering in the world. So clearly God is not skipping the "bad" stuff out of squeamishness.

Why didn't God skip the Holocaust or Gaza?

Why didn't God skip the suffering in your own life?

Obviously God finds some value in it.

Edited Wednesday at 11:13 PM by Leo Gura

[Hojo]

@Vibes You can skip as much as you want its still infinity. It dosent end infinity means you will do it. You can infinitely skip it infinity is just starting. You can enter void for infinity come out the meat grinder is still there. Skip it infinite more times its still there you gotta do it. 10 thousand infinites later the meat grinder still there calling your name.

Edited Wednesday at 11:17 PM by Hojo

[Vibes]

No escape. The unwillingness/fear is what keeps me crystallized.

Sometimes I can tap into being okay with bad experiences, even further I could even for a second feel a beautiful connection beyond my fear during bad experiences, but soon I get afraid and start hating again.

[RisingLane]

"Infinite potentiality is not just potential for all the good stuff." - Adyashanti

Edited yesterday at 06:41 AM by RisingLane

[Hojo]

@VibesThe psychological ones are probably worse than the meat grinder. Meat grinders like 1 - 2 mins at most. Maybe 20 seconds and back to home screen. Psychological will last years and decades. It might seen scarier but its super short insane pain then back with God in peace.

Edited Wednesday at 11:48 PM by Hojo

[ladelle]

I think about this all the time, it’s the scariest thing. 

[Leo Gura]

It is not scary because the self who is scared will be nullified upon death.

It is scary because you imagine yourself surviving and then living through new horrible lives.

Edited yesterday at 12:18 AM by Leo Gura

[RisingLane]

5 hours ago, ladelle said:

I think about this all the time, it’s the scariest thing. 

Because you're thinking about it.

Realizing Nothingness makes it alright, even if things aren't alright.

Edited yesterday at 06:13 AM by RisingLane

[Loveeee]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Obviously you see many people suffering in the world. So clearly God is not skipping the "bad" stuff out of squeamishness.

They're not real though 

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Loveeee said:

They're not real though 

Is your suffering real?

Why isn't God skipping it?

[Loveeee]

38 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Is your suffering real?

Why isn't God skipping it?

Like you said, if the game is too hard or too easy you quit 

 

[Terell Kirby]

God imagines Jeffrey Epstein

[Vibes]

14 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Why didn't God skip the Holocaust or Gaza?

 

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Is your suffering real?

Why isn't God skipping it?

 

10 hours ago, Loveeee said:

They're not real though 

@Leo Gura But I don't have the POV of a child in Gaza. There is suffering in my life, but probably nothing compared to having your entire family blown up before your eyes and feeling like life is totally hostile at all times.

Even though I suffer seeing their suffering, I'm not even sure if there is a POV suffering anything out there in Gaza.

If I kill myself right now, I might spawn and experience what is like to have the full experience of being in Gaza? Idk, do you know? Why couldn't I choose the next form, if I have infinite possibilities?

There's infinite time to experience infinite lives, I still think I could skip the horrible ones forever.

Sorry I'm not being dense, I just can't understand for the life of me.

 

Maybe the only reason to want to experience all lives is love of life itself, love of being alive regardless, love of dreaming. And maybe in my death I will find this love with no more barriers and will be able to surrender to it.

I had a vision where I saw a cow mooing in pain. And all in a fraction of a second, I first felt pain and suffered and then right after I've seen through the illusion, I've seen that was God pretending to be a cow in pain. A connection so deep, and the pain disappeared and I was at peace.

 

[cistanche_enjoyer]

15 minutes ago, Vibes said:

There's infinite time to experience infinite lives, I still think I could skip the horrible ones forever.

After having experienced infinite lifetimes of  being a billionaire and having all your wishes fulfilled, you will get soon bored of it. Think of it, infinite lives with no problems at all and just abundance, isn’t it boring?

You will think, wait, what would it be like to experience the life of a child in Gaza during the genocide? Maybe I could learn something from it?