High Achievers = Big Ego?

[Leo Gura]

10 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

We assume they are grinding or pushing themselves.  Some people just have a lot of energy and desire to work.  We assume they are suffering, but if they were, wouldn't they just stop?  Maybe that's their path of least resistance

Of course.

The hardest thing for an ambitious ego-maniac is to sit and do nothing. It's literally impossible for them.

The hardest thing for Elon Musk to do is nothing.

It is easier for Elon Musk to fly to Mars than to sit on a couch and do nothing.

Humans are built different. That's why they get such wildly different results.

Workaholics love being workaholics and would suffer more otherwise.

A workaholic will not be a happy Buddhist sitting under a tree.

Edited 4 hours ago by Leo Gura

[AerisVahnEphelia]

10 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

How would big or giant ego be defined?  As opposed to a small or tiny ego?  

Welcome back. 

 

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Ego has nothing to do with achievement.

You've a passion for things in life. 

And you have no control over the reason for it. 

Define 'high achieving', this is a mental hallucination.

Here is the truth, you wake up everyday in the void and make up a scenario on why to keep being shall matter. 

Ego make up stuff like : ho high achieving, so good icecream.

Here is the truth without filter most people are too stupid to see how pointless and futile chasing status is. 

Just like you wouldn't chase an IV of heroin but here you are thinking this is somewhat what you need, 'what will fix me'.

So it's about being delusional and to keep at it.

[Ishanga]

2 hours ago, AerisVahnEphelia said:

Welcome back. 

 

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Ego has nothing to do with achievement.

You've a passion for things in life. 

And you have no control over the reason for it. 

Define 'high achieving', this is a mental hallucination.

Here is the truth, you wake up everyday in the void and make up a scenario on why to keep being shall matter. 

Ego make up stuff like : ho high achieving, so good icecream.

Here is the truth without filter most people are too stupid to see how pointless and futile chasing status is. 

Just like you wouldn't chase an IV of heroin but here you are thinking this is somewhat what you need, 'what will fix me'.

So it's about being delusional and to keep at it.

The counter argument-

Its not Ego that makes up stories or scenarios on why to keep going.. Within all of Us is a very strong survival instinct, we need it since we are relatively weak physically compared to lots of animals, no fur either, thin skinned, weak bones, small muscles, limited endurance. With this strong survival instinct we also have the most advanced Intellect on the planet and ability to have Identity, the intellect will wrap around this identity and lead us in the direction of our identity, which can be also called Ego..

So Humans are meant to strive forward, and always Want to be More than what they Are right now, if this is not within a person experientially then they more than likely want to commit suicide which is at epidemic levels today, the way we have structured society is making our young ppl want to kill themselves, which is super sad..

The problem is ppl think they are this Ego or Identity as well ppl identify with too many different things, they identify with their Gender, Sex orientation, Nationality, Ethnicity, Religion, Political POV, Sporting Teams, Family Association, on and on, this distorts their perception in regards to "What am I and Why am I Here", so ppl are basically living on auto pilot doing what they can too just Survive, but that is a base level of existence for a Human Being.. At the base level of Identity we as Human Beings should identify as vessels of Potential and Possibility, at the top level we are God/Absolute itself!! 

Edited 2 hours ago by Ishanga

[Schizophonia]

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Irrelevant.

Those are your values.

No these are very real accomplishments.
When you have surgery it's very real, when you do craftsmanship it's very real, when you write great books it's very real.

Except for Musk (and you're the one who claims he has a particularly strong ego for some reason) this must be a compilation of the least useful and beloved personalities of the 21st century and strangely you present them as if they were great achievers lol.

 

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

it's very real, when you write great books it's very real.

Kanye West's success is very real.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Schizophonia]

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Kanye West's success is very real.

Yes but that's an isolated example and he's just a singer.

You said that people with "small egos" do nothing whereas I say that on average they accomplish more because a small ego is correlated with a love of work.
Metaphysically people don't like work because it's a loss of self.

Moreover, what differentiates humans from chimpanzees is a much smaller ego and generally more pro-sociable behavior; and humans are much more intelligent and accomplish much more than chimpanzees.

I think that by strong ego you basically means narcissism(and neurosis), that is to say using one's self-image as a libidinal object

Edited 2 hours ago by Schizophonia

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Yes but that's an isolated example and he's just a singer.

Every example I gave accomplished a lot.

Stop the nonsense.

[AerisVahnEphelia]

22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Kanye West's success is very real.

By which metric? He is an exiled apprentice Nazi, banned from public speech. Even Alex Jones does not want to see him. Addicted to nitrous oxide, he will probably be dead in the next 10 years or ruin his life even further. All he can appreciate in a woman is her capacity to serve as swimming pool arm floaties.

Success is when you reach happiness and equanimity in your life. It has zero relation to money, sex, or status; those are bonuses to breathing in joy.

If rich people are not happy, then what is money for?

 

Edited 1 hour ago by AerisVahnEphelia

[Schizophonia]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Every example I gave accomplished a lot.

Stop the nonsense.

But it's rubbish stuff.

And that's cherry-picking because you'll see that in any field those who do the most have a smaller ego.

In philosophy for exemple --since that's my field-- I don't know anyone known for particularly having a big ego.

Or they're precisely "modern philosophers" who are actually pretty bad.

[Schizophonia]

12 minutes ago, AerisVahnEphelia said:

By which metric? He is an exiled apprentice Nazi, banned from public speech. Even Alex Jones does not want to see him. Addicted to nitrous oxide, he will probably be dead in the next 10 years or ruin his life even further. All he can appreciate in a woman is her capacity to serve as swimming pool arm floaties.

Success is when you reach happiness and equanimity in your life. It has zero relation to money, sex, or status; those are bonuses to breathing in joy.

If rich people are not happy, then what is money for?

 

Fotrtunately that KENNY WEST, KIM KARSASHIAN, and OWEN COOK are on Earth with their big egos.

What would we do without them 

[Butters]

I don't really get this @Leo Gura there's alcoholics sitting at home resenting the world and amount to nothing. Football hooligans, petty criminals, you name it. Massive egos, no accomplishment. 

And the there's Joe Biden or some other lower ego high ranking politicians. 

So this doesn't always apply. 

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Butters said:

Massive egos, no accomplishment. 

There are different kinds of egos. Not all of them are the ambitious career workaholic kind.

It's not only size but kind.

And there are other conflicting variables like mental illness or impulse control. You can have a huge ambitous ego but poor mental health so you will never actualize big success.

Edited 1 hour ago by Leo Gura

[Butters]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

There are different kinds of egos. Not all of them are the ambitious career workaholic kind.

It's not only size but kind.

And there are other conflicting variables like mental illness or impulse control. You can have a huge ambitous ego but poor mental health so you will never actualize big success.

So lower ego are meek and unambutious people? Worse at survival and therefor less material success? 

Does a conscious artist or entrepreneur flip the script? Where do you sit on the scale? 

Edited 1 hour ago by Butters

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Butters said:

So lower ego are meek and unambutious people?

Not always.

This is complex. It's not a simply one to one correlation.

Ego and ambition are not identical.

[Ishanga]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Not always.

This is complex. It's not a simply one to one correlation.

Ego and ambition are not identical.

Ambition is an aspect of our Desiring Process of wanting to be more than what we are right now, this life process is no about Ego, its just a natural arising that propels us forward in life and what allows us to dominate the planet and set up our lives the way we want it too be.

Ego is false self, identifying with things you are not and is a social mechanism to relate and communicate/work with others in a society, we wear these masks to do just that, and we need to take the masks off when alone or when its not need, but when You think You are the mask that is where the problem arises.. Ppl like Goggins think they are this massive achievement machine and it provides them with a feeling of fulfilment and energy, but if he was bed ridden it would all go away because he's identified with his achievements which is living in the past which does not exist, so that is a form of insanity really..

[Schizophonia]

28 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Not always.

This is complex. It's not a simply one to one correlation.

Ego and ambition are not identical.

Because you're confusing ego with energy.

And you're confusing the two because you're too identified with objects—I'd even say perspectives—that require a lot of ego like personal development, politics, before PUA etc.

If you lack objects of libidinal investment you will lose energy; and that's what will happen if your ego drops a little because you will lose interest in these objects and will be lost.

Healthier people/people with less ego do more holistic things, it's just the level of density of the objects that changes.

Perhaps your dream would be to go to Montana and ride horses; becoming a horseman is a simple yet stylish accomplishment that suits people with a strong prefrontal cortex.

Or making a video game since you've worked in that field; always a solid accomplishment.

Edited 46 minutes ago by Schizophonia

[Harikrishnan]

58 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Every example I gave accomplished a lot.

Stop the nonsense.

Andrew tate? What did he accomplish? Can he be put in list with musk, kanye etc

[Ishanga]

1 minute ago, Harikrishnan said:

Andrew tate? What did he accomplish? Can he be put in list with musk, kanye etc

Tate accomplished fame and fortune which the Ego luvs, that guy is a total Ego maniac narcissist lol its so obvious and ppl luv him because they look up to ppl like that as they see them as powerful and in control but its a disempowering persona and way to be for sure, those charges against and his bro are not there for nothing, its completely crazy how ppl are attracted to types like him, just goes to show how nuts our society has become!

[Butters]

@Ishanga very nice. So perhaps then the correct statement is: 

High achiever = Big Ego IF they fully identify as such, and never take off the mask. 

But again, in the OP I said why can't it be equal across the board? Leo says there is a correlation. 

Perhaps the problem is the feedback loop of big succes. 

[Butters]

@Leo Gura do you believe that everyone who voted for Trump has a big ego?