What's the point of trying to understand reality, if reality is mystical?

[Yimpa]

Infinity is playing games with itself. 

[Joshe]

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

The fact you keep repeating this reads (complex, arduous or some such synonym) as doubling down without considering that it could be anything else. 

Can you say you know anything that isn't the result of a complex progression?

You don't just "arrive". There's ALWAYS a progression, and that progression is complex and varied. 

Edited 19 hours ago by Joshe

[Eskilon]

4 hours ago, Joshe said:

Is that how Truth works? Does it toggle on or off depending on your conceptual/perceptual frame?

If it's true in one, it must be true in the other. 

I am not talking about absolute Truth. Absolute Truth must exist always.

I am talking about your idea that things must always have a progression. God is not limited to progression.

Edited 19 hours ago by Eskilon

[Natasha Tori Maru]

8 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Can you say you know anything that isn't the result of a complex progression?

You don't just "arrive". There's ALWAYS a progression, and that progression is complex and varied. 

I can. Yes.

'I don't know'

[Joshe]

11 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

God is not limited to progression.

The "G" in "God" is a progression. Before you could spell the word, you first had to learn what "G" was.

Then, what did it take for you to understand what "God" is? Did a very complex process precede that understanding? So complex that you can't even map it out? 

Did you understand "God" before you understood what a "G" was? 

You'll say "NO! It happened and then I realized the "G" doesn't even exist".

Then, you come back to reality and I ask you to clarify yourself and you try your best to convince me a fucking "G" doesn't even exist. lol

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Joshe

What if I asked you to surrender this frame of complexity/progression/arduousness?

Because with all due respect your response to @Eskilon is you repeating yourself again in another way.

Really consider this:

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

All you need to consider is what you think understanding reality is going to be (or look like, present as) isn't what you think it is going to be, or look like. Or present as. The concept of “ultimate understanding” is built out of the very limitations that understanding would dissolve.

 

[Joshe]

26 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Joshe

What if I asked you to surrender this frame of complexity/progression/arduousness?

Because with all due respect your response to @Eskilon is you repeating yourself again in another way.

Really consider this:

All you need to consider is what you think understanding reality is going to be (or look like, present as) isn't what you think it is going to be, or look like. Or present as. The concept of “ultimate understanding” is built out of the very limitations that understanding would dissolve.

Then you're asking me to surrender the most stable principle evident inside reality as I know it: cause and effect. I've been there. It doesn't offer anything except escape, which is quite the cost that I'm not willing to pay.

You can train yourself to ignore causality, but you’re still operating inside it whether you acknowledge it or not. It’s bypassing the very structure that makes understanding possible in the first place. Ignoring the most core principle of reality does not seem wise to me. 

Anyway, we're getting nowhere. I'll consider your thoughts. Thanks for the back and forth. I hope you're doing well. 

Edited 18 hours ago by Joshe

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Anyway, we're getting nowhere. I'll consider your thoughts. Thanks for the back and forth. I hope you're doing well. 

 

Sure thing - thank you for the exchange!

Happy jousting (づ๑•ᴗ•๑)づ♡