What's the point of trying to understand reality, if reality is mystical?

[Someone here]

22 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

What would be the need? The point was i paid no attention at your age and cheated on the exam by looking at someone else's answers.  At your age you are contemplating reality.  Now..Now I am beyond academia.   Just funny how life unfolds.   It doesn't mean past philosophers don't interest me they do.  But only for what they obtained...which can be transcended.

Everyone cares about understanding reality to some degree . No human ever didn't ask himself existential questions. It's just that some people unfortunately get brainwashed by society with ready-made answers mostly from religion but also science has become this era's religion. But some people find philosophy pleasurable. 

 

 

[Inliytened1]

9 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Everyone cares about understanding reality to some degree . No human ever didn't ask himself existential questions. 

 

If only it was that way.

Most are paradigm locked.

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[James123]

@Never_give_up as you said in the topic,

EXACTLY. Reality is not a problem to be solved,

But, it is pure beauty to enjoy and just live, every moment as last, with pure joy, compassion and love.

[Someone here]

2 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

If only it was that way.

Most are paradigm locked.

It is that way . I don't believe there is any normal human who doesn't ask himself/herself existential questions..even if they subscribe to a religion . I remember one of my earliest philosophical questions I asked myself was : where did god come from ?  

I'm not lying to you lol..thats literally what I thought about when I started thinking about existence as a kid . 

Like I told you ..daddy and mommy take kids to church and school and fuck up their minds and kill their curiosity and they stuff their minds with brainwashing. 

[Inliytened1]

8 minutes ago, Someone here said:

It is that way . I don't believe there is any normal human who doesn't ask himself/herself existential questions..even if they subscribe to a religion . I remember one of my earliest philosophical questions I asked myself was : where did god come from ?  

I'm not lying to you lol..thats literally what I thought about when I started thinking about existence as a kid . 

Like I told you ..daddy and mommy take kids to church and school and fuck up their minds and kill their curiosity and they stuff their minds with brainwashing. 

But notice you were open minded to what God could be.  Is there one? And if so where could he come form?

Most humans don't have that gear.  They just want to know what's for breakfast.   The religion just puts the nail in the coffin.  Consider yourself gifted. 

[Someone here]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

But notice you were open minded to what God could be.  Is there one? And if so where could he come form?

Most humans don't have that gear.  They just want to know what's for breakfast.   The religion just puts the nail in the coffin.  Consider yourself gifted. 

That's true . Should decrease in tandem with evolution of society and technology. We've got AI now dude lol. I have no idea how mainstream religion is still alive in this age . But atheism and rationality are slowly replacing religion. Most young guys now in my country are atheists .and I know of course its worse in America lol. Give it couple hundred years and religion will be extinct .we are lucky that we've surpassed religion and rationality and Leo is trying to deconstruct rationality 😂. 

[Breakingthewall]

8 hours ago, Someone here said:

Knowing IS concept.  Knowing IS conceptual . If we ditch concepts then we are left with pure being.  Can't even be called being because thats also a label and not the thing itself . As soon as you open your mouth you're wrong .

Knowing or understanding can be conceptual, direct, or open. Conceptual understanding is when there's a mental process that compares things with learned symbols and archetypes. There's what you want to understand, the symbolic software as a filter, and you.

Direct understanding is without symbolism; for example, you go outside and see a hungry tiger walking toward you. You understand the matter directly and immediately.

And finally, open understanding is when you perceive the flow of reality and become one with it. There's no subject understanding an object; rather, reality unfolds and understands itself.

[Anonymous_2727]

1 hour ago, Ramasta9 said:

I think the point is to understand yourself, then reality is understood by default. 

Agreed, if you had any awakenings in the past, you realize that you are reality itself, there is no subject-object duality. Duality is just a hallucination. 

[Inliytened1]

5 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Knowing or understanding can be conceptual, direct, or open. Conceptual understanding is when there's a mental process that compares things with learned symbols and archetypes. There's what you want to understand, the symbolic software as a filter, and you.

Direct understanding is without symbolism; for example, you go outside and see a hungry tiger walking toward you. You understand the matter directly and immediately.

And finally, open understanding is when you perceive the flow of reality and become one with it. There's no subject understanding an object; rather, reality unfolds and understands itself.

Yes and this weird understanding is mystical. 

[Someone here]

I don't think there is much actual disagreement between me and you guys .we are basically saying the same thing. .you can understand but oh it's a mystical understanding .. you can't understand you can only be it...same thing really .

[Inliytened1]

22 minutes ago, Someone here said:

I don't think there is much actual disagreement between me and you guys .we are basically saying the same thing. .you can understand but oh it's a mystical understanding .. you can't understand you can only be it...same thing really .

The whole thing is mystical.   You think neurons make this happen? How? Lol  how would science explain it.

[Someone here]

6 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

The whole thing is mystical.   You think neurons make this happen? How? Lol  how would science explain it.

Bro you broke the world record of strawmaning me and putting words into my mouth which I didnt say haha  😂 jk.

Nobody said anything about "neurons ". What you guys mean by "mystical understanding " is you don't know anything. And that is the core of omniscience. Just wrap your mind around this lol. To know all is to know nothing. 

[Inliytened1]

10 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Bro you broke the world record of strawmaning me and putting words into my mouth which I didnt say haha  😂 jk.

Nobody said anything about "neurons ". What you guys mean by "mystical understanding " is you don't know anything. And that is the core of omniscience. Just wrap your mind around this lol. To know all is to know nothing. 

I know but the question is so paramount and yet no one can explain  this: and this question you won't find in any of Leo's videos.

How can neurons create consciousness?  Well certainly there has to be a scientific explanation.   But wouldn't that involve more neurons.

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[Someone here]

14 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I know but the question is so paramount and yet no one can explain  this: and this question you won't find in any of Leo's videos.

How can neurons create consciousness?  Well certainly there has to be a scientific explanation.   But wouldn't that involve more neurons.

Neurons don't create consciousness.  If consciousness is not present there cannot be any neurons ..there cannot be anything .

where the fuck would anything ever exist If not inside your consciousness?!

[Inliytened1]

12 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Neurons don't create consciousness.  If consciousness is not present there cannot be any neurons ..there cannot be anything .

where the fuck would anything ever exist If not inside your consciousness?!

Precisely. AI wants to correct me but fuck it 

Edited 3 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Someone here]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Precisely. AI wants to correct me but fuck it 

No don't hold back . Put it into AI and let's see what it says . Would be fun .

[Someone here]

@Inliytened1

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[kavaris]

humor me on this—theres the mystical side of things, and then, there is mother nature's side of things, like the physical earth, the foundation, the roots, the bone, that bottom level that no one wants to go down but that you have to go down. Its like, think bout how much DIRT, how much shit is around us—Wouldnt yous say, theres alot more dirt than there is for instance, life, right? point being its like, we are blinded by the dirt. We are drowning in it, and thats just whats on the outside. Then youve got the crust in our brains... but i digress... this is akin to the exploration of earth, ourselves and the spiritualness therein. like, to communicate anything about the mystical realm is one thing, and if you are thinking of the mystical realm in those sortve logical terms, ya its gonna be a confusing/uneventful experience tryina contend w/...but everyone can experience the mystical side of things, through said mystical directions. Like you qre very much just starting, so thats more like, you are just now trying. Like, the conclusion most come to isnt exactly that "it cant be understood", rather its that, "understanding it" is more the logical depiction of it, where as "experiencing it" is closer to what you would be going for—Again—when in the mystical

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[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

How can neurons create consciousness?  Well certainly there has to be a scientific explanation.   But wouldn't that involve more neurons.

The explanation is long but absolutely obvious. If you want, I'll tell you.

In short, yes, neurons create what we call consciousness, and consciousness is the reality in a concrete form. And neurons are a construct of reality; they are reality in a concrete expression of enormous complexity that inevitably occurs and is completely understandable, not mysterious at all.