What's the point of trying to understand reality, if reality is mystical?

[Breakingthewall]

On 2/12/2025 at 3:21 AM, Someone here said:

@Anonymous_2727 it's worse than that . It's not that you can never know it "fully". No one knows anything AT ALL. don't be ridiculous 

 

You can see absolutely totally fully how reality is structuring itself constantly, how its flow is organized. It's a liviing movement that can be detected everywhere. The point is that it's not something linear, defined, archetypal, black and white. It's the character of reality, its nature. If you want to see, you have to eliminate the barriers. Then you intuit the true nature of the reality in everything. Understanding It's about openess not about knowledge.

 

[Someone here]

@Breakingthewall knowing is possible only in the relative domain.  Once you go absolute you know nothing .

 

[Yimpa]

Infinity is all around and nowhere to be found. 

[Inliytened1]

3 hours ago, Someone here said:

@Breakingthewall knowing is possible only in the relative domain.  Once you go absolute you know nothing .

 

But you know it just not at the level of duality.  For example - omniscience isn't knowing in the traditional sense.

[Ramasta9]

I think the point is to understand yourself, then reality is understood by default. 

[Someone here]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

But you know it just not at the level of duality.  For example - omniscience isn't knowing in the traditional sense.

Omniscience can't be said .

 

[cetus]

@Ramasta9 Agreed. Anything else would be 'other'.

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[Inliytened1]

44 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Omniscience can't be said .

 

Yeah but just don't feel like you can't know reality. You can. It's not just not going to be at the level of concept.

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[Someone here]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

Yeah but just don't feel like you can't know reality. You can. It's not just not going to be at the level of concept.

Knowing IS concept.  Knowing IS conceptual . If we ditch concepts then we are left with pure being.  Can't even be called being because thats also a label and not the thing itself . As soon as you open your mouth you're wrong .

[Inliytened1]

8 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Knowing IS concept.  Knowing IS conceptual . If we ditch concepts then we are left with pure being.  Can't even be called being because thats also a label and not the thing itself . As soon as you open your mouth you're wrong .

And I'm telling you that's wrong. Not that its Being it is.  But its knowing as Being. Requires awakening. 

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[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, Ramasta9 said:

I think the point is to understand yourself, then reality is understood by default. 

🎯

[Someone here]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

And I'm telling you that's wrong. But requires awakening. 

It's wrong because I opened my mouth . Any saying is relatively wrong because no one can say the absolute truth .it's not a statement or anything that will magically make everything fall into place . You would be very unconscious if you think it works like that..that someday you will stumble upon the perfect piece of information that will resolve everything forever . You're in for a rude awakening. 

[Inliytened1]

15 minutes ago, Someone here said:

It's wrong because I opened my mouth . Any saying is relatively wrong because no one can say the absolute truth .it's not a statement or anything that will magically make everything fall into place . You would be very unconscious if you think it works like that..that someday you will stumble upon the perfect piece of information that will resolve everything forever . You're in for a rude awakening. 

I understand what you are saying.  But its a very Buddhist approach.  I am simply offering that you can grasp reality at the most highest levels- but it requires transcending the self.  Of course no one could say the Absolute Truth.   When that is reached there are none to talk to or explain it too.  I get it.  But what I'm pointing to goes beyond traditional Buddhism and no self.

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[Someone here]

@Inliytened1 I didn't say anything about no self for starters. 

Once again ..I'm saying absolute truth is not a finite object that will exist inside your knowledge. Nor is it "being as it is " because even THAT is going too far and is a finite knowledge. 

It's not complicated. Just dig it dude .

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

@Inliytened1 I didn't say anything about no self for starters. 

Once again ..I'm saying absolute truth is not a finite object that will exist inside your knowledge. Nor is it "being as it is " because even THAT is going too far and is a finite knowledge. 

It's not complicated. Just dig it dude .

But you can know it.

I have this fantasy about you that you have been through university philosophy.  For some reason I imagine you as the young guy who has gone through all the academia and all the philosophy classes and yet has gone beyond in his own mind.  And that is you whether you sat through the classes or not. 

You are my hero for being interested in reality at such a young age. Im 55.  

But..you can know it.  You just have to be in a different state of consciousness. 

[Someone here]

@Inliytened1 thanks. 

No I actually study business ..economics and marketing. 

But obviously anyone posting on this section of the forum is interested in philosophy. 

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Inliytened1 thanks. 

No I actually study business ..economics and marketing. 

But obviously anyone posting on this section of the forum is interested in philosophy. 

Yeah its funny. I cheated on my final exam in Philosophy class in college. My major was business but I had a philosophy class.  If I could go back there now I would tell Kant and Descartes to take a dump.

[Someone here]

5 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Yeah its funny. I cheated on my final exam in Philosophy class in college. My major was business but I had a philosophy class.  If I could go back there now I would tell Kant and Descartes to take a dump.

Why You can't take a university's course in philosophy even if you are in your 50s ?

[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Why You can't take a university's course in philosophy even if you are in your 50s ?

What would be the need? The point was i paid no attention at your age and cheated on the exam by looking at someone else's answers.  At your age you are contemplating reality.  Now..Now I am beyond academia.   Just funny how life unfolds.   It doesn't mean past philosophers don't interest me they do.  But only for what they obtained...which can be transcended.

 

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[cetus]

On 11/28/2025 at 4:16 PM, Leo Gura said:

That's not the conclusion. You CAN understand it. The understanding will be mystical.

Drop everything you know and meet it on its own level. Logic need not apply.

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