“How does a broke college Zoomer date in a society where all women are hypergamous?”

[aurum]

2 minutes ago, Theprofessional said:

I agree, but if the self-deception has a positive outcome, it’s worth it.

Well that's your choice.

If you want to put off dating for 10 years while you stack cash, you can do that. I understand that aligning money and women at the same time is extremely challenging.

But in that case, you better actually do it.

Because you might find in 10 years that you've put off dating for so long that you don't even know where to start. Or you told yourself you'd have the income you'd need, but still feel you don't.

And now what?

Now you're in your 30s, with little to no adult dating experience. That's not a position you want to be in.

Alternatively, you could focus on making money but still participate in dating to a small degree. Maybe you find a good local event or venue you like and go there once a week. This at least keeps you open to possibilities and gets you experience with women. Then when you meet the woman you really want to settle down with, you'll be ready.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

9 minutes ago, Theprofessional said:

@Natasha Tori Maru  

1. I’m at the end of undergrad

2. 10 ish years from now, I will have a good-paying career which will allow me to enter the dating pool and pursue relationships

I won’t entertain the idea of any connection with any woman before then because it is fruitless self-deception. Wasting both her time and mine. If all Gen Z men were rational they would do the same - it would save them years of frustration.

I wouldn't approach this with such a limiting mindset. Just aim to socialise and forget about this good paying career crap. Shooting yourself in the foot. Not to mention this 'I need to earn enough before xxx' is another self deception. You need blah blah before you LIVE LIFE? No. It sounds like you are terrified of women and socialising and this is a way for you to not have to face that (by needing $xxxx income)

If you didn't have social media and all this shit to compare or get bizarre info - you wouldn't even HAVE this belief.

Believe me, you will regret taking a path like the above. Do you really want someone to only value you for the money you provide? Do you realise what that will do to you psychologically? You will have ideas like 'If I lose my job, I lose my woman' 'My woman only values me for money, not for who I am' 'If I get old and can't work, or injured and can't work, I will lose my woman'.

Don't do this to yourself.

Disregard this at your peril and get off social media/online and jump into the experience of life. FACE TO FACE.

[Theprofessional]

@aurum That’s a good point, I actually really like this strategy. Low stakes, feeling it out slowly over time. It still doesn’t solve the problem that almost all women today will not even interact with somebody unless they have visible status - nice car, artificially white teeth, expensive clothes etc. - but it is a good idea.

[Theprofessional]

@Natasha Tori Maru I’m not terrified of women, I had several relationships a few years ago. But yeah, it’s not a limiting belief if it’s true - almost all women only value men for the money they provide. Which is a time-tested, winning approach to relationships in my opinion. I think women should work if they want in a long-term partnership, but they also go through so much physically and mentally if they possibly have a kid or two, there should be the option for them to quit work at any point and it wouldn’t make a difference.

Growing up, I saw families who gave the wife this option, and those who didn’t. Pretty much all the former marriages survived while the latter ones exploded.

[aurum]

13 minutes ago, Theprofessional said:

almost all women today will not even interact with somebody unless they have visible status - nice car, artificially white teeth, expensive clothes etc. 

Blatantly false.

You really need to question to death where these beliefs came from and why you have them.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Theprofessional I can 100% see your strategy is about certainty and guarantee in life.

I strongly believe this should be abandoned. There are no guarantees or certainties.

You will severely limit your options. And even though my words might be blunt - I actually don't want a negative outcome for you at all....!!! 

@aurum's advice is great because he has 1) masculine perspective and 2) strategizes well while not operating from any limiting beliefs.

Edited 23 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Theprofessional]

@aurum This is true! Go outside and try to even talk to a girl right now. Unless you drive a Lambo up to the coffee shop, she’s going to ignore you and glare at you for even trying. Then, when you walk away she’ll report you to the front counter and you’ll get kicked out.

[Theprofessional]

@Natasha Tori Maru I appreciate this take on it, that I’m being reductionist. That is a little true. But, you have to admit that overall I’m correct - this won’t GUARANTEE anything, but getting a lot of money improves any guy’s chances in dating 150%. That’s how the game works

[Natasha Tori Maru]

3 minutes ago, Theprofessional said:

@Natasha Tori Maru I appreciate this take on it, that I’m being reductionist. That is a little true. But, you have to admit that overall I’m correct - this won’t GUARANTEE anything, but getting a lot of money improves any guy’s chances in dating 150%. That’s how the game works

You can choose to see it that way, sure. You will just be in for some huge surprises.

Not my truth at all. I suspect your view is limited and shaped on some observations without context and too much online confirmation bias.

Good luck - I cannot help you.

[aurum]

58 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@aurum's advice is great because he has 1) masculine perspective and 2) strategizes well while not operating from any limiting beliefs.

Appreciate that, not everyone sees it.

[aurum]

18 minutes ago, Theprofessional said:

@aurum This is true! Go outside and try to even talk to a girl right now. Unless you drive a Lambo up to the coffee shop, she’s going to ignore you and glare at you for even trying. Then, when you walk away she’ll report you to the front counter and you’ll get kicked out.

A lambo???

You are approaching troll status.

[Princess Arabia]

33 minutes ago, Theprofessional said:

@aurum This is true! Go outside and try to even talk to a girl right now. Unless you drive a Lambo up to the coffee shop, she’s going to ignore you and glare at you for even trying. Then, when you walk away she’ll report you to the front counter and you’ll get kicked out.

You must live in Mumbai or Beverly Hills. That's ridiculous. This statement seems a bit off. Either you're delusional or the women in your town are. You're starting to sound a bit clownish and exaggeration galore.

[Theprofessional]

@Princess Arabia Yeah, I do live near a very rich city, that might be the problem. If you don’t meet the cut of visually having wealth, women act like you basically don’t exist here.

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Theprofessional said:

@Princess Arabia Yeah, I do live near a very rich city, that might be the problem. If you don’t meet the cut of visually having wealth, women act like you basically don’t exist here.

They're probably fucking the janitors, cable men and pool boys. Hehe.

Edited 21 hours ago by Princess Arabia

[Theprofessional]

@Princess Arabia I wish you were right but this is a super, super liberal area, which I represent and think is cool - so I constantly just get the vibe they generally hate most men and are cat ladies in training. But if you’re a guy with money, you’re the exception.

I appreciate their intelligence but it’s an extremely negative atmosphere. I’ve seen a man approach a woman to ask for her number only one time in the last five years, and I go out to bars and coffee shops every week. It’s pretty much something that is shunned here because it’s viewed as creepy - which I whole heartedly agree with, and would never do -

But going back to your comment, I wish it was that easy.

[Salvijus]

8 hours ago, Theprofessional said:

@Salvijus Not 1% but be honest, if you’re not in the top 10-15% income bracket you’re going to be treated like garbage in the relationship. Because that is the man’s purpose, is to bring in money.

In poorer countries women settle down for less I think, because they're used to those living conditions. But if you're living in a wealthy country like you mentioned, then yea, I can totally understand. Rick people won't even look at you as a human if you're poor. The conceit that wealth brings is huge. Not all tho. There're always exceptions to everything. 

Edited 16 hours ago by Salvijus