New Video: Deconstructing Rationality - Part 1 - Out Now!

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

There were multiple questions. You're probably thinking of the What is rationality? question.

@Leo Gura  nice way to dodge the question about sanity and intelligence beyond human. I guess let's wait for part 2.  But check your understanding of insanity really hard.  And also what a higher intelligence would be.  Not an Infinite one but a higher finite one.

Edited November 28 by Inliytened1

[Leo Gura]

11 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Who and what I am is what makes me sane. 

Yes, that is part of it. Sense of self, reality, and sanity are all interconnected.

This series does not tackle the sanity question. That's a topic for another day.

[Inliytened1]

54 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, that is part of it. Sense of self, reality, and sanity are all interconnected.

This series does not tackle the sanity question. That's a topic for another day.

OK it seemed like it might come up in the latter episodes - wasn't sure how much you would touch on it here.

Edited November 28 by Inliytened1

[Vibes]

My take away from the video:

[Inliytened1]

27 minutes ago, Vibes said:

My take away from the video:

Nasty boy 

[Inliytened1]

13 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

There were multiple questions. You're probably thinking of the What is rationality? question.

Oh yes right.  The answer is you cannot know it.  😀 quite irrational.

Edited November 29 by Inliytened1

[Davino]

Your work will be studied for years and years to come by the new generations. You're building the philosophical foundations for the society of the future, the impact is inevitable, it's not an if-question it's a when-question. Actualized.org is the cutting edge movement expanding understanding, waking up and evolving thousands of human beings. You'll see when you start doing live events and start meeting us all. I've talked and meet people from the Forum and man, your work transforms lives, oh sure it does.

Impressive start of this philosophical series, as good as it gets and for free

Edited November 29 by Davino

[Davino]

The insight on generalisations and the role they play in sense-making is giving me a lot of nuance and granularity in my thinking. It's like discovering a hidden layer of assumptions in every statement. The mind blowing part is that it's impossible to not be general, because Reality is infinite in every corner so it's impossible to pin down any one point. I thought this was an epistemic problem but it's actually a metaphysical one

Edited Sunday at 10:13 PM by Davino

[Inliytened1]

On 11/30/2025 at 4:09 PM, Davino said:

The insight on generalisations and the role they play in sense-making is giving me a lot of nuance and granularity in my thinking. It's like discovering a hidden layer of assumptions in every statement. The mind blowing part is that it's impossible to not be general, because Reality is infinite in every corner so it's impossible to pin down any one point. I thought this was an epistemic problem but it's actually a metaphysical one

A lot of his masterpieces go unnoticed because most of the population cannot appreciate it.  His episode "States of Consciousness is everything" is a Masterpiece.

Edited Thursday at 01:23 AM by Inliytened1

[Davino]

6 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

A lot of his masterpieces go unnoticed because most of the population cannot appreciate it.  His episode "States of Consciousness is everything" is a Masterpiece.

Absolutely, that episode is pivotal to my understanding of consciousness.

The video on authority is also a gem.

[Davino]

"A man with one watch knows what time it is. A man with two watches is never sure"

Segal's law

[Human Mint]

Dear actualized friends, I took notes of a particular thing that I liked. You may recall those parts of the episode.

1. Someone into Christianity experiences the world as Christian, whereas a scientist experiences it as material. So my question is what's the best worldview to see reality? What's the accurate way?

Possible answers:

• Having deconstructed rationality
• Knowing how meaning is created. How objects enter the field of reality, how definitions are constructed

2. Counting numbers is mystical! But how do you explain this? Imposible. But understanding this is insanely important to acing life (acing yourself, your program) 

What I see in my own life: because of the way my habits are settled down I am hurting my ability to produce good sense-making. Big picture sense-making, grasping the big picture of things. I can feel into this mystical experience at first, but then get lost in rational micromanagement. I am good at seeing the overall arch of things but I need to double down on it, it is extremely important to pay more attention to that than to anything else.

So a perfect long term objective: breaking free of rational micromanagement and in turn placing myself in a place where I grasp the most big picture aspects of reality every time.

[Inliytened1]

6 hours ago, Human Mint said:

Dear actualized friends, I took notes of a particular thing that I liked. You may recall those parts of the episode.

1. Someone into Christianity experiences the world as Christian, whereas a scientist experiences it as material. So my question is what's the best worldview to see reality? What's the accurate way?

Possible answers:

• Having deconstructed rationality
• Knowing how meaning is created. How objects enter the field of reality, how definitions are constructed

2. Counting numbers is mystical! But how do you explain this? Imposible. But understanding this is insanely important to acing life (acing yourself, your program) 

What I see in my own life: because of the way my habits are settled down I am hurting my ability to produce good sense-making. Big picture sense-making, grasping the big picture of things. I can feel into this mystical experience at first, but then get lost in rational micromanagement. I am good at seeing the overall arch of things but I need to double down on it, it is extremely important to pay more attention to that than to anything else.

So a perfect long term objective: breaking free of rational micromanagement and in turn placing myself in a place where I grasp the most big picture aspects of reality every time.

Welcome friend. 

Balance is key.  I see you have a struggle with balance here...listen..no one thing is more important than the other.  Try to spread your attention across.  In other words..short term and "little things" matter just as much as the long term goals.  It's just a matter of balance and perspective.   You are like one of those gymnasts on the balance beam.  Your life is to stay on the beam.  But to do that you must incorporate everything and yet find a way to make things work as a unit.

As for the Christian.  Well.  It's very difficult once one gets locked into a particular belief (from birth) to ever have them see beyond it.

 

 

 

 

Edited Thursday at 06:05 PM by Inliytened1

[Human Mint]

6 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Welcome friend. 

Balance is key.  I see you have a struggle with balance here...listen..no one thing is more important than the other.  Try to spread your attention across.  In other words..short term and "little things" matter just as much as the long term goals.  It's just a matter of balance and perspective.   You are like one of those gymnasts on the balance beam.  Your life is to stay on the beam.  But to do that you must incorporate everything and yet find a way to make things work as a unit.

As for the Christian.  Well.  It's very difficult once one gets locked into a particular belief (from birth) to ever have them see beyond it.

You have a good point. Often times seeing the big picture comes from engaging a lot with the minutia. Or following the example of sports, an athlete spends time with the minutia of health and fitness, working on things that if you see isolated have not apparent connection with running, but then they make up for the best result in the final run. But have in mind that training, as much as you get involved in the details, is done with a big picture in mind. You mostly do this without explicitly saying "ok, so my big picture is x, y, z", well maybe yes, but what I mean is that this is always working for you 24/7 in the background if you have a good sense of purpose. This touches the subject of the video, the human mind works this way. I am not only talking of life purpose, just survival. There is super intelligence that works for you very fine tuned.

A lot of Christian people will not go beyond that paradigm if we are honest. I was baptized myself and went to a religious school, so at one point in my life I experienced the world as one does following Christianity. You have hundreds of quotes from the bible that you can use very conveniently to make up whatever story you want. I never got sucked that far luckily.

[Inliytened1]

25 minutes ago, Human Mint said:

You have a good point. Often times seeing the big picture comes from engaging a lot with the minutia. Or following the example of sports, an athlete spends time with the minutia of health and fitness, working on things that if you see isolated have not apparent connection with running, but then they make up for the best result in the final run. But have in mind that training, as much as you get involved in the details, is done with a big picture in mind. You mostly do this without explicitly saying "ok, so my big picture is x, y, z", well maybe yes, but what I mean is that this is always working for you 24/7 in the background if you have a good sense of purpose. This touches the subject of the video, the human mind works this way. I am not only talking of life purpose, just survival. There is super intelligence that works for you very fine tuned.

 

Precisely. Keep the long term goals there.  That's really good to even have that part of your mind open.   For decades I wandered aimlessly.  That's huge and will lead to overall contentment.  But then, as you say, zone in on the little things.  You are seeing everything here and that's what you want.  So props.

[Thought Art]

This rationality rules guy can’t see the limits of his rationality. It’s amazing to listen to. Bias plays a huge role into how he himself rationalizes but he ignores that. He actively postures and creates rules which, aren’t inherent to conversation, words, etc. He conveniently ignores things Peterson says and it’s very interesting to contemplate. 
 

A Socratic conversation is far more powerful than a debate. 

Edited 17 hours ago by Thought Art

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Thought Art said:

This rationality rules guy

He's a great example.

[Thought Art]

@Leo Gura I then went and watched about half of the Jubilee event. It clearly shows the limitations of everyone’s understanding of rationality, debates, and models, maps, etc for speaking about God. No one (even Peterson) has the proper epistemic foundation to discuss God, science, etc. One of the core issues was no one made a distinction between absolute and relative truth, the limits of symbols, or even a solid definition of what God…. Or any of the terms used for that matter. The entire conversation gets essentially nowhere. 
 

Peterson is right about God. But, he also is wrong about a lot of things, right about a lot of things and he doesn’t stick to strict use of language or words. He does have a grasp of language and the content of which he speaks. But, is not given the chance to fully explore. Even then, he lacks the direct consciousness and knowing. Though, his intuition is very good. He makes good distinctions but his mind blows like the wind and it’s impossible for him to hold a place at times which makes it hard for the two people to explore the conversation from a well rooted foundation. He made a very good point about how science can't be used to explain morality because human morality existed pre-science. Which is very subtle, but he got blown away like the wind before he could explain it and clearly layout the distinction that science is is a cognitive framework and philophical system used to explain what is there, but it not reality itself. As animals develop morality without science something else is developing the morality, ie evolution and universal Will, which I think Peterson is defining as God.
 

This being said, I myself am developing my own understanding of these matters. I am given through your work and my own contemplations, trips, etc a good foundation to work on. 
 

I struggle to understand my recent trip. Because my sense making mind tells stories and it’s hard to know which is true or false. The altered state and direct consciousness and my recollection of previous trips makes me being, my reading sacred texts, your work, my own conclusions since I was a kid makes me being God a very obvious truth. But, I know there is deeper truth to be grasped and understood here. It terrifies me to know the truth as the altered state is profound and kills me. But, I should be responsible to get to the truth, and to practice pure philosophy.

 

The Rationality Rules guy is simply wrong, and extremely sloppy in his use of rationality and his application of logical fallacies toward Jordan Peterson and likely in general. He is focused on debating, proving wrong, fighting against, pointing out technical flaws based on arbitrary logical systems which he applies without solid foundation that that is the truest way of applying that piece of logic’s Though, I do think Jordan has logical fallacies too. I can’t fully articulate it all. The reality is extremely complex and full of wrongness coming from everyone involved. No one is really that close to the truth as all have the wrong epistemic foundations. 

The format is fundamentally flawed for truth seeking but does act as good material for understanding the limits of conversations, differing views, arguments, limits of rationality, poor rational arguments, the issues of lacking truth as a direct experience, poor understanding of God, science and religion that exists among all participants and society at large. 

 

Edited 16 hours ago by Thought Art

[Leo Gura]

@Thought Art You're doing good work. Keep at it.

[Alexop]

@Thought Art almost nobody can properly answer what is a woman, what do you expect. Not the gender studies lefties, not the conservative smart debaters, nobody. It is fucking amazing. Something so crucial for our survival yet we are clueless about it.  That is my question to any guy who thinks he is smart or shit. What is a woman dude? Game over.

Edited 17 hours ago by Alexop