Only way to Truth, and great conversation with Mellowmarsh

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, zazen said:

The vantage point is made of the Absolute, but doesn’t encompass the Absolute. A vantage point is finite by definition, whilst the Absolute is limitless. But this limitless includes the capacity for self-limitation - because a limitless that couldn’t express as a limit would in fact be limited.

The specific manifestation, the self, the vantage point, whatever we call it, is made of the essence of the absolute, but also of the totality of form. I think it's important to see this. This doesn't mean there aren't more vantage points, but rather that the center is an energetic construct, an "illusion" (a misleading word), and what you are contains the totality of form. The gears that make you move are in the cosmos in its entirety. A butterfly flaps its wings in the parallel universe xj12700, and you think that your neighbor is hot.  Everything is totally interconnected; nothing is separate, neither in essence nor in form. Or if you prefer, a thought about your neighbor appears creating a center of tension that wants, a self, and that self , with wanting, is the cause of a limitless line of effects 

2 hours ago, zazen said:

Even Hallaj was from that same environment. When he claimed “I am truth” there was no “I” making the claim. It wasn’t as a an ego identifying itself as the total, but more so realizing that there is nothing but the truth

Well, I'd say both. There is nothing but the truth, so the self that perceives itself as a center recognizes that's a energetic temporary construction, a tensional node, then it claims: I really am something different in structure and essence that what seems, I am the totality in all senses. "I" because there is a point that "know", a knowledge happening. It's the same if it's not "real", it is. 

2 hours ago, zazen said:

It threatened power political and religious because it would imply bypassing both - even if it’s a matter of fact.

Sure, because religion didn't aim to freedom but to control, same than now. I don't mean that was wrong, was necessary to build civilization, but it's necessary now? I think it's a hindrance 

2 hours ago, zazen said:

people are conflating or arguing between seeing (being open), understanding (interpretation)

Mostly are only in understanding without seeing, and understanding according them is realizing that what they watched in the videos is true. They use psychedelic to understand. It's like using alcohol to drive moto GP. Psychedelic are for dissolve energetic blockages, relaxation of the tensional node that is the center of perception to perceive those blockages, and to have moments of openess to the absolute nature, then sending a message to the blockages: you can relax, stop controlling so hard, there is not a threat, there is the totality and you are that. It's the only way to make them relax little by little . For understanding, better than psychedelics, study quantum physics. 

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Breakingthewall