What if the one thing you actually want to do won’t pay the bills?

[Thought Art]

@Leo Gura I feel like you say things that are valuable require hard work. But, then also dissuade me from doing that. 
 

I worked hard as fuck for like 2 years before I played festivals. I would come home from a shit job, write a song or two and then play an open mic. I played almost every single night LIVE. Then, I started playing festivals, but then I fell off course with COVID etc. I work hard. 

I am not that smart. But, I try. 

I want to be the best artist I can be. I want to make something amazing. Like, I have to work hard ANYWAY. MacDonald’s is a fucking rented mule. It’s so stupid. 
 

anyway, I really gotta go.

I respect you guys. 
 

This is my life guys. It’s my consciousness. It’s my dreams and my heart. My highest vision for myself is to be a musician. That’s the honest full answer. That was my life purpose course. It’s what I think about everyday. It’s my dream. If I can’t make my dream seriously kill me and use your will God to make it so or just snuff out this mind. Make me a toad. 

Edited Thursday at 02:46 AM by Thought Art

[Thought Art]

37 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

 

I had no success until I built it through lots of clever work.

I’m like 2% as smart as you. So, retards like me just gotta try I guess. 

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

I’m like 2% as smart as you. So, retards like me just gotta try I guess. 

I think you are plenty smart. Just gotta apply it. This isn't rocket science.

But I get it. I know how hard it is in the beginning when you got nothing but a dream.

In the beginning an optimistic attitude is one of the few things needed most. You gotta believe in yourself because who else will?

Edited Thursday at 03:02 AM by Leo Gura

[Elliott]

31 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

 

I have one fucking life guys. One. Am I gonna be in a death bed… just like…. Well, I guess I never made my dream come true. Well, what was this stupid fucking life for? Oh, I got to watch some other asshole make his dream come true. Oh no now I’m absolute infinity and I’m dead. Well, next shithole dream I guess. Why is God in the business of experiencing shithole dreams? Makes 0 sense. Your fucking GOD!! You should be awesome!!!!
 

That's true, but, your ego can waste your life on a dream too.  What people tend to care about on death beds is their relationships. look at succesful people falling into drugs and suicide.

But, being passionate about life can also radiate into relationships if done right, it's about balance. What this means is the accomplishments don't actually matter, but passion does.

Edited Thursday at 03:09 AM by Elliott

[Ramasta9]

@Thought Art I was always born this way, as rebellious as it gets. Maybe i was a slave in my past life but i never ever did anything in my life that felt like slavery, my entire nervous system would rebel, I was prepared to even be homeless in 2020 when they were trying to force vax everyone.

I always did and will do what i love, and I am in my mid thirties and life still goes on? I've lived a great live, both in darkness and light.

There is ALWAYS a way, you are infinite intelligence, you can figure it out.

[r0ckyreed]

Hey bud. I feel ya. This sounds a lot like me a few years ago. I used to wanna be a professional tennis player and trumpet player (the best in the world). I had too much unrealistic expectations and ambition. I realized in college that I love music, but not enough to become a music major and grind through it. That was a tough realization for me since I spent most of my life having the hopes that I would make it in the music and tennis industry.

But life has a way of closing one door and opening another. I found philosophy, spirituality, and psychology through my struggles and depression as a music performance major. 

To keep it short, I think you should take a step back and focus on what really matters and find ways you can continue your passion for music without expecting too much out of it.

I’m curious, if you were the last human on earth tomorrow, what would you do with your time? You still have to fight to live and nurture your body. I hate having to do it too. But my hate is just a second obstacle that I’m putting in my way. Life is already hard enough. Give yourself some kindness and focus on the small things. I bet if you were the last human on earth, you wouldn’t be weighed down by your comparisons and pressures for success. 

You should read Peter Ralston’s book on Ending Unnecessary Suffering. He goes into this stuff on a deeper level. All the best mate.

[EdgeGod900]

@Leo Gura What spiral dynamics stage is OP exhibiting? Orange right?

[SimpleGuy]

7 hours ago, Thought Art said:

@Leo Gura God created plenty of real musicians but gave me a fucking cave. That’s hell. That’s bad. Some artists I like… most, figure this out in their 20s. I’m 30 and I feel light years away from anything substantial. 
 

I hate life so much. Like, there is so much beauty but then… it’s like… wake up, work, get home and be tired,…. And then do it over and over again. That’s such a bad design. His literally made a shitty design. 
 

I don’t know if I can keep on doing this. 
 

“let’s make a dream where I have a dream to do X but am forced to do Y.”

yeah, yeah

 

Why would God make my life like, 80 years max, make my Youth where I’m a retard, and then force me to do shit I have 0 value in doing for 20 years just hoping one day I can do the thing I want…. But then I am like 50 or 60? And then I’m too old to enjoy it. It’s a joke. 
 

All this shit is a joke. You have to be like 12 years old, find Actualized, find your dream and commit to it from that point. If you don’t you wind up a loser like me. 

There is a lot of victim talk in you. I can`t do that, why would I live this life, not the other, and so on. Just deal with cards you have. You have been dealt some hand of infinite number of others. Instead of whining and complaining, start doing something with yourself. And stop watching at others. You have your own life. In example, Johnny Cash with his song "Hurt" blow up when he was something like 50 or more. And so what?

[SimpleGuy]

7 hours ago, Thought Art said:

I tried cold calling companies once and realized I am not built for that. 

Another victim talk. Just stop "trying", stop thinking of yourself as "oh, poor me". Yeah, this is life, man.

Also, when you speak about God, I hope you really know what it is and not some belief you hold from Leo.

[SimpleGuy]

@Thought Art Also it look like you really lack orange foundation. Probably, you jumped too high through green and yellow, without orange foundation. Get yourself in grind & hussle-culture for a year or two (I know you feel like you`re already 30 and it`s late, but if you won`t get that orange foundation, you will get derailed for more years, than just two).

[XXXXXX]

Minimise monthly spending very aggressively and keep your debt at zero, so you can work less and focus more on your passion. Build a lifestyle you enjoy, and work on your passions hard but patiently. 

How much money do you need per month to survive and work on your passions?

[Human Mint]

9 hours ago, Thought Art said:

@Human Mint I meant escaping it. 
 

I don’t think I’m as smart or emotionally programmed like other people. I’m kind of simple and stupid. I don’t know if I could do what Leo did. Obviously. So, I gotta do it my own way. 
 

The reality is though there is the world’s best music education online. It’s not free though. 

Making a business is not a bad option at all, and really it is not that hard if you start finding ways. Plus you make money. Since you're the one creating and designing the business there is a special connection, an ambitious attitude in yourself rather than just a depressed employee attitude.

The beauty of businesses is that they can be super simple, but not less attractive nor less lucrative.

Edited Thursday at 11:40 AM by Human Mint

[Human Mint]

Trust me, you can build artistic connection anytime in life. In fact I would argue that the older the deeper and wiser your art.

[Human Mint]

Also, if you're quite sure about music then I urge you to listen to a variety of genres. But not casually, make it a homework. Don't just listen to Arcade Fire type music, leave that for resting your ears. Investigate new artists, find new music (doesn't need to be modern). The catch is, don't be lazy and say "mm, this isn't my kind of music", because the music created you don't know 10% of it, so you don't know what you're missing. And what you're looking for is stimulating your mind.

[Thought Art]

@SimpleGuy Because it’s not about some number. It’s about the life I live. Making a single when I’m 50 means nothing. It’s about the music and the experience.

@Human Mint
Not necessarily. Look at lots of artists and their youth was brilliant compared to older stuff. Youth is importsnt generally for good music. 
 

Business is not easy. You’re not gonna start a business even a simple one without committing to it 100%. If I have to live a life like that, where in my heart I always want to do one thing but and forced to do another…. I’d rather be dead. 

Reality is a stupid bad design if I can’t make my dreams true. This idea that reality is consciousness and solipsism yet, you’re forced to be a slave… It’s retarded. 
 

I have to make it work or just kill myself. These are the options. 

Edited Thursday at 12:02 PM by Thought Art

[Thought Art]

3 hours ago, SimpleGuy said:

@Thought Art Also it look like you really lack orange foundation. Probably, you jumped too high through green and yellow, without orange foundation. Get yourself in grind & hussle-culture for a year or two (I know you feel like you`re already 30 and it`s late, but if you won`t get that orange foundation, you will get derailed for more years, than just two).

Grind and hussle doing what? This is a fantasy you can grind and hussle for 2 years and fix anything. 
 

I really… really don’t care about that culture. I really don’t. Most of those people aren’t even successful it think. 
 

I have Alex Hormozi’s books. I will begin reading them tonight. I’ve already listened to them as audios. 
 

I found a way to minimize my expenses to very little, and earn more than most people in a city. I’ll just do this for now until my finances are fixed and then focus on performing as much as I can and making art. 

Edited Thursday at 12:13 PM by Thought Art

[Thought Art]

8 hours ago, r0ckyreed said:

 

You should read Peter Ralston’s book on Ending Unnecessary Suffering. He goes into this stuff on a deeper level. All the best mate.

I’ve read half of it. But, I’ve realized that at some point you gotta say, fuck it, I want it. Why am I wasting my time trying to philosophize and cognize my suffering away when I should just go for my dreams. 
 

This conversation has been useful for me. 
 

The truth is, life is a badly designed nightmarish shithole. Especially if you’re an artist. But, you gotta try to honour your life anyway. If not,  you don’t have to stick around and be a fucking real estate agent or sales person. All that is bullshit. 
 

Existence should be beautiful and grand. The direct consciousness should be awesome, and powerful and creative and inspiring. Not…. “Well, I gotta escape wage slavery somehow… better “grind” or whatever” That is so lame. There is no heart, or connection or beauty in any of that. 
 

… I have a way of making money even though it’s not ideal….. I’ll do it for this year. Really even 12 months of this could set me up… then I could do like 6 months on 6 months off or something. But, man, age is a real thing too. Idk. 

[Human Mint]

10 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

Not necessarily. Look at lots of artists and their youth was brilliant compared to older stuff. Youth is importsnt generally for good music. 

For sure, but creative music is brilliant no matter if it is produced by a 20 y.o or a 60 y.o. The thing is, it's not gonna come by itself, that is the real challenge. Is not that you are too old, is that you did not do the needed work. Get that.

13 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

Business is not easy. You’re not gonna start a business even a simple one without committing to it 100%. If I have to live a life like that, where in my heart I always want to do one thing but and forced to do another…. I’d rather be dead. 

The point is that you're not being forced to start a business, and the point is that you're doing it primarily for the money, which is what motivates most start ups. Man, starts up are super fun actually. That's how people are able to grind a successful business. I am not telling you that it is the only option you have. Businesses are easier done in small groups. I would never in my life start one by myself only, I do not posses the ability. But if I work with a like-minded person I achieve the impossible.

[Thought Art]

@Human Mint Yeah? What business did you create?

Ive written many songs, played festivals. People have told me they felt profound peace, beauty and joy in my performances and even moved to tears. I recently had someone hunt me down after listening to a live performance to figure out my name. 
 

Older musicians generally are not as good. I’ve studied many live performances of great artists. 

Edited Thursday at 12:34 PM by Thought Art

[Princess Arabia]

Most here probably don't remember but this reminds me of where you were around 2yrs or so ago. Talking about how you hated your job of cutting trees and you're financially unset and how you hate your life and how depressed you were and it went on for awhile then I guess you started your Qichong business and now it's back to the grind only you seem a little more financially stable. Back to being emotionally unsettled because nothing has fulfilled you. It'll pass.