Leo Gura very opinionated ?

[Howtolive]

Hey guys,

First of all I am very grateful for all Leo has done. It has helped me immense. I really like that he maps „the way“ so smooth.

There is just something that feels a little off when I sometimes see comments here in the forum. And probably also sometimes an undertone in his videos.

For a very wise person, I would start seeing them to become less opinionated. Maybe more opinionated when it comes to morales etc. 
 

To me it seems like there are a lot of topics where we can’t have a 100% certainty, and that’s okey. But I find Leo to be very strong sided in a lot of these topics were we just don’t know or are still learning.

some examples:

-Leo’s view on IQ and IQ tests and its possible relevance                                                 
-no fap                                                
-whole covid vaccination process            
-His general vibes expecially with the „epistemology“

 

It seems like intelligence is a very detrimental factor to a persons life especially when it’s more in the lower side. 
For Leo IQ test are just a bunch of crap.

He seems to redeculize the idea of no fap and does not go really deep in explanation. Just saying you nbeed to control it like any other drug. 
 

With the whole covid vaccine debate he refers to the study that points out that it’s safer to be vaxxed and catch it then the other way around. That’s it, topic closed.Even if that’s true, there is no talk about how immoral group pressure was strategically used. How it would persevere spreading but later we know it did not etc etc. 
It surprises me to see that he does not look at some topics from different perspectives, instead he starts to get rather absolut.

 

To me that doesn’t seem right for a rather wise person to act like. I know Leo is also just a human, too.

 

interested in your views on this.

[Leo Gura]

It's an interesting paradox, eh?

The better your grasp of reality and epistemology gets, the more confident and sharp you can be about certain things.

Of course that doesn't mean one still can't be wrong.

In many cases humility and uncertainty is just a sign of ignorance and inexperience, not wisdom.

There are valid and invalid forms of humility and uncertainty.

Consider, to a child it might seem wise to be openminded and humble about Flat Earth. But to one who has deeply looked into the issue it is obvious and clear without uncertainty. But to the child this might seem arrogant and dogmatic. But to someone who studies science and gravity. it's obvious that planets are round.

Is a scientist "very opinionated" for sharply rejecting Flat Earth?

Edited Tuesday at 10:14 PM by Leo Gura

[Howtolive]

24 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's an interesting paradox, eh?

The better your grasp of reality and epistemology gets, the more confident and sharp you can be about certain things.

Of course that doesn't mean one still can't be wrong.

In many cases humility and uncertainty is just a sign of ignorance and inexperience, not wisdom.

There are valid and invalid forms of humility and uncertainty.

Consider, to a child it might seem wise to be openminded and humble about Flat Earth. But to one who has deeply looked into the issue it is obvious and clear without uncertainty. But to the child this might seem arrogant and dogmatic. But to someone who studies science and gravity. it's obvious that planets are round.

Is a scientist "very opinionated" for sharply rejecting Flat Earth?

Thanks for answering.

I was actually thinking about that, too.

And I would say that it’s absolutely correct to do it in certain topics.

Where I sense something „off“ is when you start to use the same authority in topics that are just very big in facets.

Like politics for example. If somebody claims he know what to do and how to rule and bla bla bla. Its more real that there are so many factors and things we don’t know and can’t control, so that we can only do our best but nobody can claim to „know it all“.

That’s the vibe I get from you in certain topics.

[Leo Gura]

@Howtolive Certainly politics is complex and has no easy answers in most cases. Which is why I don't have particularly strong political positions other than Trump being a devil, which he is.

When it comes to politics I mostly make clear statements about what is obviously wrong. But I don't make strong statements about which policies are best.

For example, it is obvious that the Covid vaccine saves millions of lives. That's a confident statement I can make. But beyond that I don't have strong opinions.

My positions are probably more nuanced than you think they are. I actually do not have strong political opinions. All I do is strongly call about pure political idiocy. But I am very open to all sorts of serious political proposals without any attachment to them.

Edited Tuesday at 11:10 PM by Leo Gura

[Ishanga]

its true that with more Awareness and Consciousness as a natural state within someone, they have more Clarity of Reality, so they can see what is what, without any bias or filters in the way..

Leo I would assume has this, but the way he states things is too conclusive imo, and his tone is that of "All Knowing" rather than a more humbled approach.  Its okay to say "This is the way I see it", no problem there, but he's had outright arguments on here, and the tone is not one of a Humble person, which I would say is an Attribute of someone highly conscious, they can see before hand the outcome of a conversation and the tones being shared via the replies and such, I am not sure he recognizes that aspect and therefore maybe may not be as Awake as he thinks.. I think he is very intellectually awake, as allot of knowing but knowing is not the ultimate, and he seems he still has a capability to Suffer, which for sure in not possible for someone fully Awake/Enlightened and Embodied! Pain will always exist, Suffering will cease to Exist.. (and lets not use a strawman argument of "Well what happens if Your being tortured, bla bla bla.. Tortured ppl have come out of it without ptsd and such, most don't but some have)

Oh, he also has a tendency to look down on ppl and especially how they see/experience life, yes he has had many grand experiences on psychedelics and maybe naturally, but that doesn't mean You know it all, again the Humbleness thing, he's not a humble person it seems!

Edited Tuesday at 11:14 PM by Ishanga

[Howtolive]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

@Howtolive Certainly politics is complex and has no easy answers in most cases. Which is why I don't have particularly strong political positions other than Trump being a devil, which he is.

When it comes to politics I mostly make clear statements about what is obviously wrong. But I don't make strong statements about which policies are best.

For example, it is obvious that the Covid vaccine saves millions of lives. That's a confident statement I can make. But beyond that I don't have strong opinions.

My positions are probably more nuanced than you think they are. I actually do not have strong political opinions. All I do is strongly call about pure political idiocy. But I am very open to all sorts of serious political proposals without any attachment to them.

The way you frame it in this text, I would say we are even on the same page. Nothing can said against it, it is bullet proof logic in its frame. 

the premises is just something I would say is sometimes maybe to absolut. the Covid vaccine safed millions of lives. Does it mean it’s the best to take for every age group? What about long term affects? What about using „lies“ to push them into the masses? When does a lie justify the the result, etc etc. 
As long as you are still open to have a fair look on these aspects as well, I can’t say anything.

From what I have seen here in the forum regarding that topic and the others I have mentioned. I have not seen that.

Of course I don’t know you, so I can’t tell how nuonced you really are.

Since you are very strong intellectually it’s also one of the more common traps for these archetypes, to fall into.

Thanks for the exchange 
 

 

 

 

[Howtolive]

1 hour ago, Ishanga said:

its true that with more Awareness and Consciousness as a natural state within someone, they have more Clarity of Reality, so they can see what is what, without any bias or filters in the way..

Leo I would assume has this, but the way he states things is too conclusive imo, and his tone is that of "All Knowing" rather than a more humbled approach.  Its okay to say "This is the way I see it", no problem there, but he's had outright arguments on here, and the tone is not one of a Humble person, which I would say is an Attribute of someone highly conscious, they can see before hand the outcome of a conversation and the tones being shared via the replies and such, I am not sure he recognizes that aspect and therefore maybe may not be as Awake as he thinks.. I think he is very intellectually awake, as allot of knowing but knowing is not the ultimate, and he seems he still has a capability to Suffer, which for sure in not possible for someone fully Awake/Enlightened and Embodied! Pain will always exist, Suffering will cease to Exist.. (and lets not use a strawman argument of "Well what happens if Your being tortured, bla bla bla.. Tortured ppl have come out of it without ptsd and such, most don't but some have)

Oh, he also has a tendency to look down on ppl and especially how they see/experience life, yes he has had many grand experiences on psychedelics and maybe naturally, but that doesn't mean You know it all, again the Humbleness thing, he's not a humble person it seems!

It’s a lot of speculation of course. But I agree that the tone is offputing at times.

Something just is a bit off but it’s hard to really outbid into words sometimes.

[joeyi99]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It's an interesting paradox, eh?

The better your grasp of reality and epistemology gets, the more confident and sharp you can be about certain things.

Of course that doesn't mean one still can't be wrong.

In many cases humility and uncertainty is just a sign of ignorance and inexperience, not wisdom.

There are valid and invalid forms of humility and uncertainty.

Consider, to a child it might seem wise to be openminded and humble about Flat Earth. But to one who has deeply looked into the issue it is obvious and clear without uncertainty. But to the child this might seem arrogant and dogmatic. But to someone who studies science and gravity. it's obvious that planets are round.

Is a scientist "very opinionated" for sharply rejecting Flat Earth?

How is that a paradox? It seems intuitive to get more confident with better understanding.

[Hojo]

But the earth is flat. Not in the up and down but from the here to there.

[Lord of Darkness]

Conspiracy? Selfishness? Or Incompetence? 

19 hours ago, Howtolive said:

Leo’s view on IQ and IQ tests and its possible relevance                                                 
-no fap                                                
-whole covid vaccination process            
-His general vibes expecially with the „epistemology

Personal preferences in face of uncertainty? Some lean more towards less unproovable abstracts others to verifiable but limited stance. 

[LoneWonderer]

We are all very opinionated about something I guess. How boring would it be if we all thought the same thing. Kill me now!

[Howtolive]

20 hours ago, Lord of Darkness said:

Conspiracy? Selfishness? Or Incompetence? 

Personal preferences in face of uncertainty? Some lean more towards less unproovable abstracts others to verifiable but limited stance. 

Don't get it.

[Howtolive]

13 hours ago, LoneWonderer said:

We are all very opinionated about something I guess. How boring would it be if we all thought the same thing. Kill me now!

With this view being opinionated cant be criticised.

[TheSelf]

On 11/19/2025 at 2:36 AM, Ishanga said:

and his tone is that of "All Knowing" rather than a more humbled

He uses short dry ass texts to communicate most of the time instead of investing energy to appear nice or explain a lot (talking about forum) I see it as him being on power saving mode 

Or simply he doesn't care.

Edited Thursday at 05:33 PM by TheSelf

[Yimpa]

On 11/18/2025 at 8:09 PM, joeyi99 said:

How is that a paradox? It seems intuitive to get more confident with better understanding.

Until even that understanding gets shattered for something new and different. 

[LoneWonderer]

4 hours ago, Howtolive said:

With this view being opinionated cant be criticised.

@Howtolive true

[LambdaDelta]

The forum is probably the least important of the Actualized resources in regard to the actual work. Virtually all it is is a collection of "Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man", although there's some useful ones here and there. Leo himself said he views it as a testing ground for new ideas and shitposts a lot. In the recent videos what you speak of has toned down significantly, there's an appreciable difference to how it used to be. Not that it matters too much since the message has always been to take the useful stuff as food for thought and discard the noise. 

It's healthy and inevitable to disagree with your teacher on some content, the important thing is structure. If you're in perfect agreement all the time, might as well become them, and then there's no autonomy of mind, which is really what this whole thing is about. 

Having strong opinions very much fits the bell curve meme. It's up to you to discern which side the person is on, and it varies from topic to topic, but there's also a general pattern. 

And yeah, he still has biases remaining. There's sort of 3 major categories to those: unconscious ones, ones you're aware of but are very difficult to drop for one reason or the other – working through it may take decades, and those you deliberately opt to keep because they're practical or you just like them and they're generally harmless. A highly conscious person may have very few of the first sort, but the rest are here to stay. Seeing through them in oneself and others is your job. Hell would sooner freeze over before people quit their biases. 

What's off-putting is the egoic footprint oozing through the cracks, but it is only repulsive to you the ego. Part of the intuition is correct, relativity and nuance are indeed very important, good on you for keeping that in mind. Beyond that it's just overlays that weigh you down. 

It might be useful to frame communication as a kind of quadrant. truth-truth: the truth in you recognizes the truth in Leo | truth-falsehood: truth in you recognizes falsehood in Leo, doesn't judge, appreciates the intelligence behind it | falsehood-truth: falsehood in you fails to recognize truth in Leo, warps or misses it. Truth in you should be on the lookout for that to catch and eventually correct it | falsehood-falsehood: your ego judges Leo's ego due to some meaningless bias misalignment. This is just to be ignored, or rather not given any significance to, and it'll die out soon enough.

Going into detail on those examples would be unproductive as it's content and highly prone to subjectivity. I can't be certain what you mean in that last one about 'epistemology', but it's worth pointing out that it'll take a while to appreciate just how crucial and vast it is. It's been 1.5 years since the trajectory shift and I'm only now starting to truly dial in on the full scope. 

[Ramasta9]

Leo is a trickster that's why. Don't fall for his trick but see his play  

[Lord of Darkness]

On 11/20/2025 at 3:21 PM, Howtolive said:

Don't get it.

Run it through chatbot and then ask more specificalky what dont get it can i halp you with