The Real Awakening Has Nothing to Do With Being ‘Spiritual’

[Thought Art]

@DLH Requires awakening to grok how satisfied the big boy is 

[DLH]

2 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

There's an opportunity to look and transencd the ego that comes up in these heated situations. That's what you're missing. 

Are you sure I am missing it?  From my perspective It seems you are defending your Spiritual Ego and deflecting.

[Leo Gura]

18 minutes ago, DLH said:

I am not so sure about “God IS eternal satisfaction”.

I may be missing what you are pointing towards, but from my perspective, we are GOD, and we are constantly exploring the unknown.  Maybe not everyone…. lol

Google defines “Satisfaction” as a feeling of contentment and happiness that comes from having a need or desire fulfilled.

Has God stopped expanding into the unknown because it has its desires and needs fulfilled?   I don’t know.

I guess God can be content with IS-ness, but wouldn’t it be curious to expand beyond that fulfillment and sense of IS-ness or Being-ness?

God cannot be lacking.

But God as a human is lacking.

God as pure Infinity lacks nothing. It is in infinite bliss.

Complete satisfaction can only be death/formlessness. No fintie form can be complete because it is disconnected from pure Infinity.

Pure Infinity IS Eternal satisfaction and completeness. It is everything you could ever want. It is so satisfying it annihilates the human self.

You are just afraid of that much completeness because it will kill you.

Edited 5 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Salvijus]

7 minutes ago, DLH said:

Are you sure I am missing it?  From my perspective It seems you are defending your Spiritual Ego and deflecting.

Defending your identity is not a flaw, it's a feature. There is no way to exist without an identity. You either identify with truth or you identify with falsehood. Both ways you will end up defending it. Standing up for truth is auspiciousness. It's inherent in God's will. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Salvijus

[DLH]

2 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Defending your identity is not a flaw, it's a feature. There is no way to exist without an identity. You either identify with truth or you identify with falsehood. Both ways you will end up defending it. Standing up for truth is auspiciousness. It's inherent in God's will. 

If you say so!  One of the main points of the video is to let go of identity.   

You do realize your statement of "Standing up for truth is auspiciousness. It's inherent in God's will".  Is pure EGO and dogma.

[DLH]

25 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

God cannot be lacking.

But God as a human is lacking.

God as Pure Infinity lacks nothing. It is in infinite bliss.

You are absolute right, but doesn't God continually expand into the Unknown?

Like you said, God is pure infinity  Endlessly expanding, Endlessly exploring!

Edited 5 hours ago by DLH

[Salvijus]

11 minutes ago, DLH said:

If you say so!  One of the main points of the video is to let go of identity.   

To let go of false identy(small self) and to replace it with true identity which is Everything. (true self) 

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You do realize your statement of "Standing up for truth is auspiciousness. It's inherent in God's will".  Is pure EGO and dogma.

It's not a choice. And it's not a philosophy. You simply defend what you value. That's the way existence is made. You get to choose what to value tho. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Salvijus

[DLH]

1 minute ago, Salvijus said:

To let go of false identy and to replace it with true identity which is Love.

Dogma!

1 minute ago, Salvijus said:

It's not a choice. And it's not a philosophy. You defend what you value. That's the way existence is made. 

More Ego and dogma!

 

I don't mean to be dismissive, but It seems you like to continue defending your Spiritual Ego and deflecting.

I think I will sit out from going further into your rabbit hole.

Thanks for the dance,

 

 

[Ishanga]

37 minutes ago, DLH said:

I am not so sure about “God IS eternal satisfaction”.

I may be missing what you are pointing towards, but from my perspective, we are GOD, and we are constantly exploring the unknown.  Maybe not everyone…. lol

Google defines “Satisfaction” as a feeling of contentment and happiness that comes from having a need or desire fulfilled.

Has God stopped expanding into the unknown because it has its desires and needs fulfilled?   I don’t know.

I guess God can be content with IS-ness, but wouldn’t it be curious to expand beyond that fulfillment and sense of IS-ness or Being-ness?

I would say that this is the normal way ppl feel Satisfaction, something outside of themselves then becomes a part of themselves then they feel fulfilled in a sense for awhile anyways..

When we talk about God/Absolute and Spirituality, we are talking and explore a dimension that is way beyond outside things making us feel fulfilled, we are talking about Us feeling fulfilled, peaceful and Blissful naturally because we know and experience our true nature..

I don't get why ppl think we have to have up and down emotional lives, depressed ppl feel depressed most all the time, why can't the opposite exist too, why can't ppl feel Blissful all day all the time? If one possibility exist the other has too, that is what God is Potential and Possibility...

[Thought Art]

@Leo Gura It is pretty freaky ngl

[Ishanga]

26 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

God cannot be lacking.

But God as a human is lacking.

God as pure Infinity lacks nothing. It is in infinite bliss.

Complete satisfaction can only be death/formlessness. No fintie form can be complete because it is disconnected from pure Infinity.

Pure Infinity IS Eternal satisfaction and completeness. It is everything you could ever want. It is so satisfying it annihilates the human self.

You are just afraid of that much completeness because it will kill you.

I would say this is not so true, ppl can and have felt Bliss all the time when they have experienced their true nature, call it God or whatever..  Ppl can do amazing things, some ppl have lived decades without food, without anything that we think we need to survive and live... And its not all about Genetics which is just another term for Karma, we can live way beyond Genetics and Karma if we want too.. Normal is not defined by what the majority think or do, it is what is natural, we are meant to be healthy and fully alive Beings, with that comes eternal Bliss...

 

 

[Salvijus]

7 minutes ago, DLH said:

Dogma!

 

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More Ego and dogma!

It's not dogma if it's reasonable. Things I say are easy to explain and back it up just by reasoning alone. You're quick to jump to conclusions without any basis tho, unfortunately. 

7 minutes ago, DLH said:

don't mean to be dismissive, but It seems you like to continue defending your Spiritual Ego and deflecting.

I think I will sit out from going further into your rabbit hole.

Thanks for the dance,

Tcare 

Edited 5 hours ago by Salvijus

[Ishanga]

More examples above of why Spiritual discussion, like Political ones, goes really nowhere, its fine in the beginning stages, since we are very intellectually identified, we luv words and chats and communication, but its based on logic, Reality is not based on logic...I'm guilty of this too!!

[Hojo]

@Leo Gura so you as a human is a representation of God's dissatisfaction.

[DLH]

37 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Pure Infinity IS Eternal satisfaction and completeness.

Can Infinity and Endlessness be completeness?

I understand what you mean by "Pure Infinity IS Eternal satisfaction and completeness", but I am taking it one step further into the leading edge of satisfaction and completeness where the unknown meet.   Where desire to expand into the unknown becomes satisfaction and completeness as soon as it steps into the boundless and endless infinity.  It happens so instantaneously that it will always be the present.  It is neither completeness nor incomplete.

 

38 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It is everything you could ever want. It is so satisfying it annihilates the human self.

Aside from the human self, I don't dispute God being in absolute pure infinity bliss, but God is also never ending and always expanding into the unknown, never sitting still, always dancing at infinities leading edge.

[TheBG]

14 hours ago, Malkom said:

Well, that's also a concept. I've actually noticed this: people who know nothing about spirituality are much more pleasant and spiritual, and kind of empathetic. I was talking to someone, there were three of us in the conversation. One of us started talking about the nature of reality, his own version of it, of course, and they responded, "Dude, stop doing this, it won't lead to anything good." And that's exactly it. Live a real life, and that will be much closer to spirituality.

Just wondering. Is it your belief that people who don't know anything (or I am guessing know little) about spirituality are more pleasant and spiritual?

I don't think the pleasantness is determined by how much someone knows about spirituality. Those who are not kind and empathetic, yet claim to be spiritual, are posturing.

I believe the issues and egotistical perspectives over spirituality rise when someone does not realize it's always been a personal, internal thing. Comparing how spiritual others are to yourself and feeling great that you are "better" is a common trap that is hard to break free from. I don't think knowing about spirituality determines how kind or empathetic a person is. The knowledge only amplifies what was already there. 

There are also so many different ways people perceive what spirituality even is. It usually becomes a new throne for the ego mind.


Someone who says, "Dude, stop doing this, it won't lead to anything good," is most likely not living a real life. It's more likely that they are conforming to the lives of those around them. That is not to say they are not living life. It's to say that they don't understand the life there is to live.

Edited 2 hours ago by TheBG

[Thought Art]

2 hours ago, Hojo said:

@Leo Gura so you as a human is a representation of God's dissatisfaction.

No, god is satisfied with Leo or whatever else. God is selfless.

Edited 2 hours ago by Thought Art

[Malkom]

 

1 hour ago, TheBG said:

Just wondering. Is it your belief that people who don't know anything (or I am guessing know little) about spirituality are more pleasant and spiritual?

I don't think the pleasantness is determined by how much someone knows about spirituality. Those who are not kind and empathetic, yet claim to be spiritual, are posturing.

I believe the issues and egotistical perspectives over spirituality rise when someone does not realize it's always been a personal, internal thing. Comparing how spiritual others are to yourself and feeling great that you are "better" is a common trap that is hard to break free from. I don't think knowing about spirituality determines how kind or empathetic a person is. The knowledge only amplifies what was already there.

There are also so many different ways people perceive what spirituality even is. It usually becomes a new throne for the ego mind.


Someone who says, "Dude, stop doing this, it won't lead to anything good," is most likely not living a real life. It's more likely that they are conforming to the lives of those around them. That is not to say they are not living life. It's to say that they don't understand the life there is to live.

But that's just a point of view, and it's empty and meaningless. The real God isn't felt that way, isn't known or comprehended. It's like you inherited a house, a rich one, and you decorate the façade, put in beautiful furniture, sharpen your tools. And the furniture itself becomes beautiful, and you simply keep it tidy. And God forbid a wind should blow into the room, and the windows of your house are tightly closed, and even more rarely you make changes to your home, and when you do, you constantly apologize, as if it were a crime... And all this makes you feel cramped.
What am I saying? That an argument or discussion is simply USELESS. It's empty, it's not fruitful, it's dead. It's not God. If you want to understand it that way.

Regarding the person "who doesn't really live a real life"... He is the one who lives it, and his capacity for passion and involvement is simply laughable, so much passion and life is within him. This is how "God's energy" manifests itself. And yes, he's not spiritual and isn't interested in such topics. He's also closer to sincerity than to hypocrisy, which "spiritual" people probably suffer from 100%. You'd be better off sorting out your own psyche; it would be much better, and by the way, much more truly spiritual. Don't engage in this nonsense.

I was created to build new houses and overcome invisible, yet powerful, circles. After all, the world is INFINITE.

So-called "spirituality" is when a flower grows and grows on its own, blossoms, and so on. It does this ITSELF and ITSELF knows it—this "Pure Desire." It doesn't MUST anyone anything, and no one, not me, not anyone you are, can force it to do so. It's like fire, it simply burns, or like a flower. These are Metaphors, read between the lines and use your intuition. It's simply EXISTENCE.

I'm going to bed, hahaha.

Edited 1 hour ago by Malkom