Is mathematics invented or discovered ?

[UnbornTao]

1 hour ago, Salvijus said:

Language is a means of transmitting information. The universal language of creation is energy. Everything and everyone always exude energy and is sending a message. Whether you translate that messege into words or symbols or art or mathematics is secondary. The messenge itself is existencial. 

Where does the message exist without any activity or set of activities being undertaken by someone or something? 

[Salvijus]

45 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Where does the message exist without any activity or set of activities being undertaken by someone or something? 

Existence is activity. Activity is eternal. 

[UnbornTao]

1 hour ago, Salvijus said:

Existence is activity. Activity is eternal. 

How come? Prior to any activity, existence is. By definition, it is the basis or condition for anything to exist. We can imagine that it isn's subject to any particular process; rather, it is what gives rise to the very possibility of things unfolding. 

What is an experience of "existence" with no language? What is language - without taking it for granted or considering it as a secondary or trivial thing? Can "message", "information", or "communication" exist without language?

[Jodistrict]

 

Complex numbers were invented long before they were discovered to be useful in engineering. It seems to be a creative act.  On the other hand, isn’t there something about  “2 + 2 = 4” which is real even without humans? 

In most countries, you can’t patent a mathematical formula do to the general rule:

“Mathematical formulas, laws of nature, and abstract ideas are considered discoveries of pre-existing truth, not human inventions”.

[UnbornTao]

5 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

 

Complex numbers were invented long before they were discovered to be useful in engineering. It seems to be a creative act.  On the other hand, isn’t there something about  “2 + 2 = 4” which is real even without humans? 

In most countries, you can’t patent a mathematical formula do to the general rule:

“Mathematical formulas, laws of nature, and abstract ideas are considered discoveries of pre-existing truth, not human inventions”.

Where is "two" found in the first place? What underlies the seemingly obvious recognition of "two distinct things" in reality - something made, perceived, or interpreted by us?

Just some questions.