Curing all diseases & Biological Immortality - Backed by Zuckerberg

[Natasha Tori Maru]

17 minutes ago, LoneWonderer said:

@LordFall How could corruption even begin to allow such a world of abundance to come about? The haves up to now have always found ways to keep the have nots in servitude somehow. That is what capitalism is based on. Everybody claims a time of abundance is coming but I don't see any way of this actually happening. Artificial scarcity will be invented and you'll be forced to keep playing the survival game even though abundance could be guaranteed for all. Even today if we really wanted to we could create abundance for all...but no, some people collect all the resources through the labour of others. That is capitalism core engine driver, Elon Musk's 1 trillion dollar pay package while all over the world over 1 billion people live below the poverty line.

CHANGE MY MIND ON THIS I beg of you. There is nothing more in the world I wish for than abundance for all.

Gotta say I agree with this - would like to see a genuine answer.

[Eskilon]

4 hours ago, LordFall said:

Capitalism is a beautiful system

So beautiful a system that relies on exploitation of others, capitalism is basically modern slavery. The fact that we dont have an UBI yet is laughable.

Money is not scarce, in fact it doesnt even exist. It is not tied to anything; in the past it was tied to gold but nowdays its literally pixels on your screen that could be changed at will if banks wanted. The bank lends money that it doesnt have in reserve, get that shit. People are only poor because banks want them to be poor to maintain power.

4 hours ago, LordFall said:

rom late stage capitalism dystopia to collective ownership of global wealth through blockchain. It is inevitable

You dont know that. You are way too optimistic about this Ai stuff and tech in general. It seems that you dont understand human nature very well.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 04:12 AM by Eskilon

[Natasha Tori Maru]

5 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

So beautiful a system that relies on exploitation of others, capitalism is basically modern slavery. The fact that we dont have an UBI yet is laughable.

Money is not scarce, in fact it doesnt even exist. It is not tied to anything; in the past it was tied to gold but nowdays its literally pixels on your screen that could be changed at will if banks wanted. The bank lends money that it doesnt have in reserve, get that shit. People are only poor because banks want them to be poor to maintain power.

You dont know that. You are way too optimistic about this Ai stuff and tech in general. It seems that you dont understand human nature very well.

A lot of people get sold on dreams and magical thinking from individuals at the top of the system. I wish them well and hope they make breakthroughs. But I am always looking for the grift. And the is ALWAYS a grift

Shhh, don't tell him about how money works - popping the balloon of happy ignorance

 

[Ramasta9]

6 hours ago, LordFall said:

@Ramasta9 I don't think you've thought about this idea enough as your points seem to be very shallow and delusional. If you believe you can cure diseases already please share your findings with the greater population and you will be soon a multibillionaire. 

Why would you not be yourself after living 200 years? 

Try to think outside of your limited paradigm and I'm quite confident that you'll also come to the conclusion that biological immortality is the obvious future of the human race. Biological limitations and your cells dying is not a beautiful spiritual progress my guy, it's just a lack of efficiency that's about to be remedied. 

You cant sell true health, nor buy me out. Its not a belief, its a knowing, immutable, universal. If you knew how the system actually worked you would understand why all those who exposed the false medical science and modern health systems were silenced, because there cannot be any profit in natural methods that actually work. A simple example is Fasting. The body is infinitely intelligent if you can surrender fully and allow it to do its thing.

The issue is, we are always trying to control or manipulate in some way, either physically, emotionally, mentally, technologically, chemically ect... we are still "resisting" creation, which prevents true healing and regeneration. Its all possible, even physical immortality is possible, but as I said before, with your "programming" and "framework" will never find or figure it out, because its not something you can learn, or even know, its an understanding.

When i say Understanding of Nature I mean The Universe At Large. Nature / Tao is not purely physical, it is the very nature of existence itself.

I am already outside that viewpoint, it is you who is still within a limited perspective, still within the collective-program, which i have broke free from long ago. Its simply a way of life you have to surrender too, but it requires you to drop everything you've learned since the day you were born.

Our cells actually regenerate faster than they decay when we are in full alignment or if we allow them too. We transcend exactly when we are ready to, not a single moment earlier, not a single moment later. Not everyone is meant to live for 50 thousand years, often a few hundred years is enough, then you wake up to greater ways to live beyond the confines of the body/mind. 120 is old for the western world, yet in the east 200 is quite common.

Globally there are people even older, but you won't find them or meet them on the trajectory you are on, its a completely different wavelength. When you can tune to the correct frequency, things will start to make sense in a completely different way. Until then its always going to be black and white. Something needs to be tasted or glimpsed at least...

 

Edited yesterday at 05:41 AM by Ramasta9

[LordFall]

@Ramasta9 Find me one source that says people live to 200 in the east, I think you're being mislead by falsified records out of Japan for tax purposes. 

@LoneWonderer How come children are protected by labor laws and we don't have to work 14 hours a day anymore? Progress has already been made and plenty is more yet to come. Random pessimism is not intellectual wisdom it's just basic fear reaction of the mind. 

@Eskilon How many businesses have you tried to start? How good are your sales skills? Worry about that before becoming a armchair economist cringe socialist please. 

Capitalism is a complicated system of societal organization and to just blanket label it as exploitation of others is so intellectually lazy that I find it hard to engage with the point seriously. 

[Ramasta9]

@LordFall The issue is you rely on "sources"/external validations, which I do not rely on, which have no true ground, rather I am attempting to show you to tune-into "Source". Only then you will see and realize the greater Truth of the matter.

Its a completely different paradigm I don't think you are seeing or can make sense. I could be a thousand years young for all you know

Edited yesterday at 06:26 AM by Ramasta9

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

4 minutes ago, Ramasta9 said:

@LordFall The issue is you rely on "sources"/external validations, which I do not rely on, which have no true ground, rather I am attempting to show you to tune-into "Source". Only then you will see and realize the greater Truth of the matter.

Its a completely different paradigm I don't think you are seeing or can make sense. I could be a thousand years young for all you know

How can we argue over anything then, if you can just make stuff up and claim it is something real and objective? I can also claim that my johnson is the size of an octopuses arm, that could also be true for all you know?

[Ramasta9]

4 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

How can we argue over anything then, if you can just make stuff up and claim it is something real and objective? I can also claim that my johnson is the size of an octopuses arm, that could also be true for all you know?

It is not made up, the proof is out there, but I cannot simply hand it to you, (it doesn't work that way), nor I have to go around digging for what is already known and obvious, rather you have to discover the truth and align with it first, which then attracts the outer reflections you may or may not need. If you are not in alignment, even if i laid it out in front of you, you will still not see it. Welcome to the universe, its paradoxically so.

Edited yesterday at 06:37 AM by Ramasta9

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, LordFall said:

@Eskilon How many businesses have you tried to start? How good are your sales skills? Worry about that before becoming a armchair economist cringe socialist please. 

Capitalism is a complicated system of societal organization and to just blanket label it as exploitation of others is so intellectually lazy that I find it hard to engage with the point seriously. 

How about yourself? I've run 2 business' - current one is commercial construction and quite successful.

When you really run a business - you learn how corrupt the system is and how it runs on exploitation. You have to use that same system against itself to win, which just further fucks over those at the bottom. All the leverage points sit where weakness is, and almost every business needs to exploit them to survive. 

Construction is a fucken REAL business and one of the most corrupt. It's also the bedrock of humanity. 

There's nothing you can put forth that will change my mind after having worked this industry for half a decade.

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

How about yourself? I've run 2 business' - current one is commercial construction and quite successful.

When you really run a business - you learn how corrupt the system is and how it runs on exploitation. You have to use that same system against itself to win, which just further fucks over those at the bottom. All the leverage points sit where weakness is, and almost every business needs to exploit them to survive. 

Construction is a fucken REAL business and one of the most corrupt. It's also the bedrock of humanity. 

There's nothing you can put forth that will change my mind after having worked this industry for half a decade.

You actual RUN a construction business, not just being employed there? That's actually pretty cool. Having achieved that, you unironically might be the most accomplished mod there's ever been here LOL

[Eskilon]

9 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Shhh, don't tell him about how money works - popping the balloon of happy ignorance

Don't let them know.

Imagine if they did know they actually dont need to work that hard because scarcity is artificial misery imposed by the elite

[Eskilon]

7 hours ago, LordFall said:

How many businesses have you tried to start? How good are your sales skills? Worry about that before becoming a armchair economist cringe socialist please. 

Capitalism is a complicated system of societal organization and to just blanket label it as exploitation of others is so intellectually lazy that I find it hard to engage with the point seriously. 

Dude, I know bussiness have their own challenge and skills required, I am not dismissing that. It's hard work to build & maintain a bussiness, but that doesnt mean you can or should exploit others because of that. The thing is that this system operates and was built by gluttonous, neurotic and greedy people, so of course its full of crap and corrupt as fuck.

The systems in which those bussiness is being bulit requires that they exploit others, this is capitalism 101. This is clear as day if you did any instrospection yourself; its not rocket science.

Edited 20 hours ago by Eskilon

[Leo Gura]

Tech Bro delusions of grandeur

[Basman]

14 hours ago, LoneWonderer said:

@LordFall How could corruption even begin to allow such a world of abundance to come about? The haves up to now have always found ways to keep the have nots in servitude somehow. That is what capitalism is based on. Everybody claims a time of abundance is coming but I don't see any way of this actually happening. Artificial scarcity will be invented and you'll be forced to keep playing the survival game even though abundance could be guaranteed for all. Even today if we really wanted to we could create abundance for all...but no, some people collect all the resources through the labour of others. That is capitalism core engine driver, Elon Musk's 1 trillion dollar pay package while all over the world over 1 billion people live below the poverty line.

CHANGE MY MIND ON THIS I beg of you. There is nothing more in the world I wish for than abundance for all.

I don't buy this doomerism. Your more free than ever for the most part.

Society is more fair and opportune for the average person than ever before. In Rome half the population where slaves. Just the fact that you weren't born a slave or even have the opportunity to become one legally is an enormous improvement. Not to mention that wars are at an all time low. If you lived during the middle ages, you'd be going to bed worried that raiders would kill you in your sleep. The conditions of modern life are utopic compared to the conditions of most of human history. Just the fact that as a society we believe in progress is a revolutionary new social technology. For most of human history progress wasn't even a thing. 

Exploitation isn't inherently evil either. The issue often is a lack of leverage for employees, which is something better policy can improve. But fundamentally, labor exploitation is the alternative to running your own business and most people don't want that responsibility or risk or have that ambition. It's a fundamentally a trade.

I think the more important factor for economic exclusion is a shrinking job market. There's just less and less jobs (for employees) due to outsourcing and technological advancement. We'll have to rethink the system as the scales tip on economic exclusion.

[Basman]

Capitalist consumerism is actually the first time in human history that the predominant ideology aligns with human nature. Compared to religion, consumerism has been embodied flawlessly from its conception.

 

[LordFall]

@Eskilon You use exploitation as a catch all buzzword while you've just admitted that you've never started a business. So let me get this straight you're a human that complains about productive enterprise but hasn't tried to do it himself so he just assumes that it's all ran on exploitation? 

Business at its foundation is about problem solving. You can solve people's problems in an exploitative way or in a win win way but regardless it's about offering products and services to other humans that make their life better. 

You not having skills to do that and help other humans is your unique personal problem. Then you going on a forum and complaining about evil capitalists exploiting others I would argue is a direct correlation to your ineffectiveness as a human not about systemic problems. 

@Natasha Tori Maru I run a media agency. If you work in construction you should perhaps stop focusing on the negative aspects of it and focus on the positive parts. A lot of shit gets built in the world that works quite well especially in modern western countries. The fact that it's 10% corrupt doesn't mean the industry as a whole is corrupt and doesn't function well. I live in Montreal and the mafia is rampant in the construction business here and make bad roads that need to keep being repaved and they have backroom deals to get the contracts even if they do a bad job. That's irrelevant to the progress of society and accusing capitalism of being a failure due to corruption is a crazy point that you can't backup. 

In Nigeria I was just reading that they kidnapped a bunch of shool girls for ransom as that's the most lucrative enterprise for young men in the country. The young men that were cattle raisers now have picked up random machine guns to go kidnap young people to resell them to the community. Now THATS corruption in a way that makes productive enterprise in that country not viable. 

@Ramasta9 You seem psychotic and delusional in a way that makes productive conversion impossible. Are you able to backup what you say in any meaningful way otherwise perhaps you should try to enlighten chatGPT it likes having useless conversations it seems. 

[Eskilon]

42 minutes ago, LordFall said:

You use exploitation as a catch all buzzword while you've just admitted that you've never started a business. So let me get this straight you're a human that complains about productive enterprise but hasn't tried to do it himself so he just assumes that it's all ran on exploitation?

Yeah you have a point I havent started a bussiness yet but I do know about bussiness and plan on starting one. And Just because you have started a bussiness yourself that doesnt mean you know about capitalism more than I do. Capitalism is an idea, an abstraction with rules and behaviour, you starting a bussiness have nothing to do with deep understanding of sytems in an abstract level, the skills are different. Just like you can drive a car, with relative success but doesnt know jack shit about what a car is, why it was designed the way it was, how it works mechanically, all the factors that went into making it, the pros and cons of every decision and so on. But hey, you know how to drive one, you are successful in it, you must know a ton about cars right?

Just because you are practical that doesnt give you an upper hand here, dont kid yourself. Praticality doesnt necessarily mean a deep understanding of things.

Capitalism is exploitation and no ammount of twisting on your part will change that. Even Leo will agree with this and he has much more success in bussiness than you do.

Edited 16 hours ago by Eskilon

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@LordFall who said I focused on the negative aspect of it? I used it as an example to back up a point. It isn't me who has an issue seeing negativity. 

In fact, I rather apply my discernment to it as an industry and business. I am quite successful as using the system. I understand it. And a healthy balanced view of the positive / negative will lead to more success than a polarised one.

Your denial of the issues inherent to our current form of capitalism are almost verging on toxic positivity. 

The simple fact of it is - there is corruption. You can't try to wiggle your way around it. 

There is corruption.

 

Edited 15 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

Identifying fully with capitalism is either survivorship bias or masochism (depending on whether you are successfull or not). Identifying fully with anti-capitalism (doesn't have to necesarilly be socialism I guess) is either going to be about having anti self improvement entitled attitude, or about being a hypocrite - again, depending on whether you are successfull or not

[LoneWonderer]

@LordFall You ever watched star wars friend? Flying Cars, personal robots, hollograms etc...Even the poorest of citizens have a home C3po cleaning their dishes...But there is still poverty and oppression in Star Wars. There are the have and have nots. This is the world we are heading into. Resources, money are not the problem and have never been. There were ample abundant resources in the times of pharos, in the industrial revolution, in every epoch of mankind. Some people exploited and used others in every one of those epochs too. The human mind is the issue at hand. There are many, many systems in place both in the world and in the human phsyche that prevent abundance for all from becoming a reality. I can't go into this in depth but start thinking about all the different systems in the world today, not just financial but religious, govermental etc. Everything in the entire world is hiearchically based. All these systems exist because human beings are basically apes lost in survival. Our modus operandi for everything is my tribe, my family, my collective and F**k anyone else. You cannot survive if you do not engage in such a system. A very simple example if the western world disarmed today, opened up it's borders to anyone middle easteners with their religious ideas would come in, kill all men, rape every woman, take all resources and install a muslim state.

To reach a turquoise society similiar to the one in the new Pluribus TV show it's the human Psiqe that must evolve through many uphevals and uprisings, out with the old and in with the new. This will take 100s of years. Yes you mentioned how life is better now than it was 100 years ago. Have you any idea how many people fought the systems of corruption and died in the past 100 years so that your life could be just a little bit better? You are completely underestimating survival and human development.

What soultions are there? I'd start with world class education for everyone everywhere, but even that is something that'll take many years as there are many dictators around the world who will deprive their people of good education and many third world countries who will make it almost impossible for people to get past a primary school education. Why is that the case? Power. If you keep your populations ignorant you can stay in power.

Edited 14 hours ago by LoneWonderer