No experience can touch Truth - Drop psychedelics and experience based realizations

[Breakingthewall]

The only difference between enlightenment and non-enlightenment is energetic. All that stuff about experience, silence, thoughts, attachment, it doesn't mean anything special; they're movements of reality, ripples that occur. Enlightenment is easily defined: it's the absence of energetic limits that keep you in a superficial state.

To say that experience is this or that, or that consciousness is this or that, is a mistake. Experience implies subject and object. Both are the disposition that reality is taking at a given moment. Consciousness implies the same: something that is aware of something. Enlightenment is when reality dissolves into itself and limits disappear. Then, living depth is revealed at every moment, the source from which reality flows becomes obvious and merges with reality. The dance of forms is perceived as perfect, fluid, limitless vitality. And the obviousness of limitlessness makes it obvious that everything that exists is interconnected, death is impossible because you are what is, and every movement of reality generates an effect that expands without limit.

[James123]

42 minutes ago, Bogdan said:

@James123 I see.

Sooo... Did you put 5-meo up your bum or not? 😂

My max is 10 gr dried psilocybin cubensis with a lemon.

[Bogdan]

3 minutes ago, James123 said:

My max is 10 gr dried psilocybin cubensis with a lemon.

Ok well.. maybe try 5-meo a bunch of times and then report back?

I don't know what else to say

[James123]

4 minutes ago, Bogdan said:

Ok well.. maybe try 5-meo a bunch of times and then report back?

I don't know what else to say

I tried, many things, even mescaline, Ayahuasca, regular DMT or 5 Meo DMT. 

All is experience. Arises and falls within Truth, yet İt is untouched.

[Bogdan]

25 minutes ago, James123 said:

I tried, many things, even mescaline, Ayahuasca, regular DMT or 5 Meo DMT. 

All is experience. Arises and falls within Truth, yet İt is untouched.

Hm, I think it's possible your current human state of consciousness is still constructing false distinctions/dualities with - experience vs non-experience, arising vs falling, and untouched vs touched.

What I see right now is that experience is, by definition, all there is.

You say Truth remains untouched, as if that which is touched is not Truth. Isn't that separation you're making?

[TheGod]

21 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I am going to start banning people who parrot this.

Hopefully very soon! 

[Yimpa]

Love is the only thing I wanna touch.

[Yimpa]

The truth is that i lie often.

[Inliytened1]

On 10/29/2025 at 0:10 PM, Breakingthewall said:

The only difference between enlightenment and non-enlightenment is energetic. All that stuff about experience, silence, thoughts, attachment, it doesn't mean anything special; they're movements of reality, ripples that occur. Enlightenment is easily defined: it's the absence of energetic limits that keep you in a superficial state.

To say that experience is this or that, or that consciousness is this or that, is a mistake. Experience implies subject and object. Both are the disposition that reality is taking at a given moment. Consciousness implies the same: something that is aware of something. Enlightenment is when reality dissolves into itself and limits disappear. Then, living depth is revealed at every moment, the source from which reality flows becomes obvious and merges with reality. The dance of forms is perceived as perfect, fluid, limitless vitality. And the obviousness of limitlessness makes it obvious that everything that exists is interconnected, death is impossible because you are what is, and every movement of reality generates an effect that expands without limit.

It's ineffable this description cannot describe enlightenment nothing can.

[Breakingthewall]

9 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

It's ineffable this description cannot describe enlightenment nothing can.

Total enlightenment is when the superficial aspect of the experience dissolves completely, like a hologram vanishing, leaving only the total, limitless essence. 

In my experience, this can happen for a few moments, a few seconds, and immediately the structure of the experience returns. But this structure can become more transparent, allowing the essence to shine through, revealing the cycle of creation and destruction and its infinite richness, its perfection.

It is very easy for this to become veiled, to turn opaque very fast. 

[cetus]

@Breakingthewall Ain't that the truth.

“Our normal waking consciousness . . . is but one special type of consciousness, whilst all about it, parted from it by the flimsiest of screens, there lie potential forms of consciousness entirely different. We may go through life without suspecting their existence; but apply the requisite stimulus and at a touch they are all there in all their completeness . . . No account of the universe in its totality can be final which leaves these other forms of consciousness quite disregarded.” -William James

[James123]

On 10/29/2025 at 2:46 AM, Carl-Richard said:

@James123 How many hours have you meditated? How many hours have you contemplated? How many insights have you had? How many experiences of glimpsing the truth have you had? Answer the questions.

In Beginning, I was meditating and rest of the time min chattering (of course even in meditation too).

This took years to realize, purpose of all meditation or religion or any kind of practice is surrendering.

That's how actual meditation started with total surrendering during the day.

After that, day and night, sleeping or being awake become identical. 

[Breakingthewall]

19 hours ago, cetus said:

@Breakingthewall Ain't that the truth.

“Our normal waking consciousness . . . is but one special type of consciousness, whilst all about it, parted from it by the flimsiest of screens, there lie potential forms of consciousness entirely different. We may go through life without suspecting their existence; but apply the requisite stimulus and at a touch they are all there in all their completeness . . . No account of the universe in its totality can be final which leaves these other forms of consciousness quite disregarded.” -William James

Consciousness has multiple layers or phases. It could be said that these layers open up as energetic barriers dissolve. For example, you might perceive reality as comparative evaluation, and this closes you off from perceiving deeper structures. It's not that comparative evaluation is false, illusory, or unreal, but rather that it's a layer of reality to which you attach enormous importance due to your structural programming, and this attachment causes you to close off other layers of reality.

At a certain moment, you dissolve that energetic barrier, and a new panorama opens before you. You clearly perceive the interconnectivity of reality , the cause-and-effect relationships that expand through every interaction, vibration, and movement.

Reality is perceived as a living flow of relations with a kind of meaning , whether it’s survival, love, reproduction, or whatever else. But attachment to that meaning closes you off from other phases of reality.

If at some point you dissolve it , for example, with a psychedelic or deep meditation , reality can take on another dimension, another depth. You truly see the hardware: the infinity of interconnected structures creating logical patterns beyond any meaning, simply the inevitability of reality reflecting itself.

If you can endure this without needing to cling to any meaning, then reality can once again shift phase and open to its ultimate essence, stripped of all attributes or form , absolute openness, the limitless.

The problem is that you are either open to that total nature right now, or you are not. It’s not something that can be remembered or known. You can be open to it, and a minute later closed again , and any memory of it will be just that, a memory. It belongs to another dimension of consciousness, and therefore it cannot capture a different dimension. No matter how hard it tries, it will always remain what it is.

 

Edited 15 hours ago by Breakingthewall