No experience can touch Truth - Drop psychedelics and experience based realizations

[James123]

11 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Nothing is actually happening.

Neither consciousness or experience is real. 

Experience only seemingly occurs in the dream story/matrix. There has to be a conditioned "ego"/"I" to judge and outwardly cast its opinions onto nothing, which seemingly turns nothing into an apparent experience or a something. But the experiencer is an "illusion"/"ego"......it's not really there.

No ego = No experience 

No self illusion = No experiencer 

They are the exact same thing, just different words used!

Consciousness is a made up human concept, stemming from bodily senses like sight, sound and imagination. When the body dies, so does the concept of consciousness and its so-called conscious existence/experience.

Nothing goes on living eternally because that which wants eternal experience is an illusion, and was never born.

There is an appearance but it's an empty happening and it's completely undefinable because the individual trying to define it, is an illusion. And there is nothing to compare it to because it's everything and nothing simultaneously.........it takes an infinite amount of time to define infinity 🤣

❤️ 

What belief of non duality is stuck at denying the body, yet fingers writes, nose breathes, heart beats, yet no control whatsoever.

 

[Inliytened1]

8 minutes ago, James123 said:

What was before physical birth, that will after physical death.

 

Right but in your words what is that? 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

Right but in your words what is that? 

You've glitched him out.

Program is looping  

[James123]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

Right but in your words what is that? 

As I said before, Unnamable. Attachment to Any name or giving any name belongs mind / matrix.

Some calls God, Allah, pure consciousness, tao yet no word can touch or pass it.

It is out of any charts.

The tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao. The name that can be named is not the eternal Name.

The unnamable is the eternally real. 

Lao Tzu.

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, James123 said:

As I said before, Unnamable. Attachment to Any name or giving any name belongs mind / matrix.

Some calls God, Allah, pure consciousness, tao yet no word can touch or pass it.

It is out of any charts.

The tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao. The name that can be named is not the eternal Name.

The unnamable is the eternally real. 

Lao Tzu.

Well said.  So why can't psychedelics be a means of surrender or jumping off the cliff? Because it was intentional? when you surrendered without bounds and fell off the cliff didn't you mean to put yourself there ?

Edited 13 hours ago by Inliytened1

[VeganAwake]

11 minutes ago, James123 said:

What belief of non duality is stuck at denying the body, yet fingers writes, nose breathes, heart beats, yet no control whatsoever.

 

Not physical body denial

There is a body......it's empty though.

That which claims to "be the body" is the illusion 🤦‍♂️

❤️ 

[cetus]

In, what "I" consider to be a deep meditation there is a loss of self-awareness. "I" doesn't exist. This loss of self-awareness happens usually when in what feels like an ocean of pure consciousness. Self-awareness remains, but it is empty of thoughts. So, from being aware that I'm floating in an ocean of consciousness to loss of self-awareness. This doesn't happen every meditation. Most meditations I'll just sit with a semi- still mind and observe different states and imagery as they arise. This can be anything from a feeling of total union, Infinity, the void, dreamlike states, astral travel, being prior to manifestation (one of my faves). Hellish states (least fave). Or just observing thoughts as they arise and so on and so on.

So, to sum it up the deepest meditations are the ones where the I, the witness, the ego, vanishes and there is no more experience to be had.

Edited 3 hours ago by cetus

[James123]

7 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Well said.  So why can't psychedelics be a means of surrender or jumping off the cliff? Because it was intentional? when you surrendered without bounds and fell off the cliff didn't you mean to put yourself there ?

I used crazy high doses of psychedelics too.

But, it is still based on experience and at the end of the day, you say this is me or I experience this. And your entire perspective or belief will be based on these experiences.

Yet, in Truth there is no experience, you, me, universe, infinity etc... Therefore, can not be claimed, understand, explain, giving any name.

Only, can Be.

 

İf there is an experiencer, there is still attachment.

[James123]

9 minutes ago, cetus said:

In, what "I" consider to be a deep meditation there is the complete loss of self-awareness. "I" doesn't exist. Almost like deep sleep but there is a difference. This loss of self-awareness happens usually when I'm first floating in what feels like an ocean of pure consciousness. Self-awareness remains, but it is empty of thoughts. So, I'll go from being aware that I'm floating in an ocean of consciousness, to becoming the ocean itself and vanishing into it. This doesn't happen every meditation, just sometimes. Most meditations I'll just sit with a semi- still mind and observe different states and imagery as they arise. This can be anything from a feeling of total union. Infinity. A void. Dream like states. Astral travel like states. Being prior to manifestation (one of my faves). Hellish states (least fave). Or just observing thoughts as they arise (sometimes from their very source) and so on and so on.

İt is actually being witness, till witness dissolves.

What remain is, already.

[Inliytened1]

23 minutes ago, James123 said:

I used crazy high doses of psychedelics too.

But, it is still based on experience and at the end of the day, you say this is me or I experience this. And your entire perspective or belief will be based on these experiences.

Yet, in Truth there is no experience, you, me, universe, infinity etc... Therefore, can not be claimed, understand, explain, giving any name.

Only, can Be.

 

İf there is an experiencer, there is still attachment.

Well the question would be as to whether it could produce a non-dual state for some and produce ego-death. I would not rule out that it isn't possible just because it didn't happen. Just like I'd say to Leo that meditation shouldn't be ruled out because it didn't happen.  Or just letting go one morning when going to work.  It worked for someone.  The funny thing is Leo's best work to me was before he actually became enlightened but it was when he came back from his.meditation retreats.  I don't know if he was taking psychedelics at this time.  But some also came after.   Either way for teachers like Ralston and Gura both are tremendous teachers and both have merit.  Sorry to say but @Nahm i just think he's living in a world of deception and not enlightened at all.  Sorry to break that you.  Maybe he is but he could have fooled me.

Edited 12 hours ago by Inliytened1

[cetus]

1 minute ago, James123 said:

İt is actually being witness, till witness dissolves.

 

That's what I mean when I say, "loss of self-awareness". The witness dissolves. 

[emil1234]

49 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Nothing is actually happening.

Neither consciousness or experience is real. 

Experience only seemingly occurs in the dream story/matrix. There has to be a conditioned "ego"/"I" to judge and outwardly cast its opinions onto nothing, which seemingly turns nothing into an apparent experience or a something. But the experiencer is an "illusion"/"ego"......it's not really there.

No ego = No experience 

No self illusion = No experiencer 

They are the exact same thing, just different words used!

Consciousness is a made up human concept, stemming from bodily senses like sight, sound and imagination. When the body dies, so does the concept of consciousness and its so-called conscious existence/experience.

Nothing goes on living eternally because that which wants eternal experience is an illusion, and was never born.

There is an appearance but it's an empty happening and it's completely undefinable because the individual trying to define it, is an illusion. And there is nothing to compare it to because it's everything and nothing simultaneously.........it takes an infinite amount of time to define infinity 🤣

❤️ 

i had to jump in and comment here - i hope you're joking friend

or you just dont know the definition of a concept

or what consciousness is

please retreat this comment, its extremely extremely bad 

i grade it an F-

[James123]

4 minutes ago, cetus said:

That's what I mean when I say, "loss of self-awareness". The witness dissolves. 

Amazing. 

[cetus]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Sorry to say but @Nahm i just think he's living in a world of deception and not enlightened at all.

What is @Nahm's stance today as far as psychedelics? After he left here I lost all touch with him. I remember him talking in riddles like he was channeling some special spiritual connection that only he understood.

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, cetus said:

What is @Nahm's stance today as far as psychedelics? After he left here I lost all touch with him. I remember him talking in riddles like he was channeling some special spiritual connection that only he understood.

His stance is there is no you to take psychedelics. 

[James123]

7 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Well the question would be as to whether it could produce a non-dual state for some and produce ego-death. I would not rule out that it isn't possible just because it didn't happen. Just like I'd say to Leo that meditation shouldn't be ruled out because it didn't happen.  Or just letting go one morning when going to work.  It worked for someone.  The funny thing is Leo's best work to me was before he actually became enlightened but it was when he came back from his.mefitarion retreats.  I don't know if he was taking psychedelics at this time.  But some also came after.   Either way for teachers like Ralston and Gura both are tremendous teachers and both have merit.  Sorry to say but @Nahm i just think he's living in a world of deception and not enlightened at all.  Sorry to break that you.  Maybe he is but he could have fooled me.

As I said before, body doesn't need me to function, it is already perfect with the moment.

Life or suffering is the best teacher ever. 

Again, belief on people nahm, Ralston, Buddha, prophets, or anyone is just an attachment. 

The surrendering is the letting go the believer, experiencer, expector. 

It is dying. And body acts it's own, yet no one in control. 

Some people says God shines trough the body. As Jesus crucifixion (God took him before his death) or prophet Muhammad wrote quran via talking the god.

These are all stories. But meanings are body is it's own. No one in control. How it breathes perfectly , it writes perfectly.

 

[cetus]

@Inliytened1 Got ya!

[Inliytened1]

7 minutes ago, James123 said:

As I said before, body doesn't need me to function, it is already perfect with the moment.

Life or suffering is the best teacher ever. 

Again, belief on people nahm, Ralston, Buddha, prophets, or anyone is just an attachment. 

The surrendering is the letting go the believer, experiencer, expector. 

It is dying. And body acts it's own, yet no one in control. 

Some people says God shines trough the body. As Jesus crucifixion (God took him before his death) or prophet Muhammad wrote quran via talking the god.

These are all stories. But meanings are body is it's own. No one in control. How it breathes perfectly , it writes perfectly.

 

True on all counts brother. Suffering is indeed the best teacher.  Words of wisdom.   Rather than criticizing whether psychedelics work spend more time speaking about what you have said here to me they are wise words . Much love to you brother. 

Edited 12 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Mellowmarsh]

9 hours ago, James123 said:

Experience belongs to body. (That's the reason why there wasn't any experience before physical birth.)

Not consciousness. Consciousness is always same. Never begins, borns or dies.

All the experiences arises and falls within. Yet, it is untouched.

What “word” knows the above truth claim?

 

 

[Inliytened1]

23 minutes ago, emil1234 said:

i had to jump in and comment here - i hope you're joking friend

or you just dont know the definition of a concept

or what consciousness is

please retreat this comment, its extremely extremely bad 

i grade it an F-

Me too.