No experience can touch Truth - Drop psychedelics and experience based realizations

[James123]

Experience belongs to body. (That's the reason why there wasn't any experience before physical birth.)

Not consciousness. Consciousness is always same. Never begins, borns or dies.

All the experiences arises and falls within. Yet, it is untouched.

Edited 21 hours ago by James123

[UnbornTao]

[Leo Gura]

I am going to start banning people who parrot this.

Edited 21 hours ago by Leo Gura

[James123]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

I am going to start banning people who parrot this.

Don't be afraid. Surrender. 

[James123]

@Leo Gura moreover, surrender all the god or etc... Experiences that you have.

Then there will be no more place for you, infinity , universe, god etc... to experience. And that's what real God is, actually Unnamable.
 

[Carl-Richard]

@James123 How many hours have you meditated? How many hours have you contemplated? How many insights have you had? How many experiences of glimpsing the truth have you had? Answer the questions.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

33 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

@James123 How many hours have you meditated? 

This is what I am most interested in. Maybe I have skill in this area but the states I enter in meditation I cannot even put to words.

I know James has used a lot of psychedelics - so this post is making me suspect some things.

[Jowblob]

12 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

This is what I am most interested in. Maybe I have skill in this area but the states I enter in meditation I cannot even put to words.

I know James has used a lot of psychedelics - so this post is making me suspect some things.

What states do you enter during meditation, and do you have any siddhis, if not it is possible that you were born enlightened or high consciousness because you wouldnt be conscious of some of your siddhis.

Saying you cannot even put to words what youre experiencing during meditation is highly conscious when most people see a black screen when their eyes are closed, and they try to imagine something in it.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 minutes ago, Jowblob said:

What states do you enter during meditation

I have nothing to contrast this to so I don't have an answer to 'What states' - just A state.

The closest I can describe it is a total single pointed focus. But it isn't that - because focus implies a object to be fixated on by a subject. And that is NOT what is happening in the reality sense of it. IE me staring at my hand, or picturing an elephant in my mind. The focus feels in that state, but not like lucid focus. I hope that makes sense. There is no thinking involved. No perceptions. Zero sense of time.

The state just 'happens', like falling asleep after we lay down, and it feels in the body like when you are at the very top of on orgasm. When you have an orgasm it is a state of non-thinking. Single pointed focus but no thinking and no object to fixate on. That is what it feels like. I try to recall what I am thinking in the orgasm state of total oneness and focus - and it is remarkably like that. Sorry for the x-rated comparison. It is the closest I can come to verbally describing it.

10 minutes ago, Jowblob said:

Saying you cannot even put to words what youre experiencing during meditation is highly conscious when most people see a black screen when their eyes are closed, and they try to imagine something in it.

It is not that at all - I definitely went through stages like that when I begun. But the ability to get into that meditative state I described above easily is a cumulative process. As soon as I stop my regular practice it is hard to get back to. It requires discipline - so no doubt can exist. Just practice.

12 minutes ago, Jowblob said:

do you have any siddhis, if not it is possible that you were born enlightened or high consciousness because you wouldnt be conscious of some of your siddhis.

I don't actually know. All I can tell you is physical proximity to me has a nice effect on others. I can alter their emotions. But I have always had the ability. Meditation just made me WAY more conscious of my inner workings and revealed many new things inside. I do not think there is anything extraordinary about my ability to change peoples emotions and feelings.

I perceive siddhis as having such a deep understanding of reality our ability to manipulate it manifests.

[Inliytened1]

4 hours ago, James123 said:

Experience belongs to body. (That's the reason why there wasn't any experience before physical birth.)

 

Yes if you mean ego.  But don't confuse psychedelics with this it's two separate things.  Psychedelics can trigger ego death.  How do you know they can't?  I don't blame Leo if he bans you for this because despite your views being subjective they could negatively impact other users.  However on the other hand he shouldn't ban you since your views are subjective.   The sword cuts both ways.

4 hours ago, James123 said:

 

Not consciousness. Consciousness is always same. Never begins, borns or dies.

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It's not Consciousness but yet Consciousness is eternal. So which is it?

 

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[James123]

21 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Yes if you mean ego.  But don't confuse psychedelics with this it's two separate things.  Psychedelics can trigger ego death.  How do you know they can't?  I don't blame Leo if he bans you for this because despite your views being subjective they could negatively impact other users.  However on the other hand he shouldn't ban you since your views are subjective.   The sword cuts both ways.

Ego is not only body and mind, ego is anything and everything that I involves. Such as, I know or am the universe, I am God, etc... claiming anything belongs to ego. Moreover z psychedelics are limited with mind perspective whatever you consume it happens within the mind, which is the prison itself. Don't get confused with altered or mystical states with what You really are. Anything and everything that you experience belongs to body. Therefore, experience starts with physical birth.

26 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

It's not Consciousness but yet Consciousness is eternal. So which is it?

All the experiences, anything you know, experience, not know or not experience arises and falls within the consciousness / actually Unnamable.

Because, any given words belongs to mind.

Therefore, if you can analyze, experience, understand, speculate, explain etc.... it is not it.

[Inliytened1]

12 minutes ago, James123 said:

Ego is not only body and mind, ego is anything and everything that I involves. Such as, I know or am the universe, I am God, etc... claiming anything belongs to ego. Moreover z psychedelics are limited with mind

That's just foolishness.  So then mediation is limited with mind?  Mediation is ego too?  If you were in the matrix and someone told you to break out you needed to use psychedelics or mediation would you refuse them because they are content within the matrix?  What if they worked to get you out of the Matrix?   You have to use the means within the Matrix to break you out of the Matrix.

Edited 16 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Natasha Tori Maru]

49 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

That's just foolishness.  So then mediation is limited with mind?  Mediation is ego too?  If you were in the matrix and someone told you to break out you needed to use psychedelics or mediation would you refuse them because they are content within the matrix?  What if they worked to get you out of the Matrix?   You have to use the means within the Matrix to break you out of the Matrix.

I would like to hear @James123's answer to this.

Lots of pushback regarding psychedelics (which I suspect he used according to his own statements) but no one raises the effects of meditation (my main tool). 

For example - the state I enter that I raised above. What is going on there? Single pointed eternal blissful focus state I slip into when I sequentially sit, close my eyes and breath. That is all I do in a routine, daily way. I do that within the 'matrix'. But there is no time in the state I get into. 

[Inliytened1]

11 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I would like to hear @James123's answer to this.

Lots of pushback regarding psychedelics (which I suspect he used according to his own statements) but no one raises the effects of meditation (my main tool). 

For example - the state I enter that I raised above. What is going on there? Single pointed eternal blissful focus state I slip into when I sequentially sit, close my eyes and breath. That is all I do in a routine, daily way. I do that within the 'matrix'. But there is no time in the state I get into. 

If all things are within the Matrix then all things are equal within the Matrix.  Sitting and staring at the wall or ingesting a pill are all still content within the Matrix.  This is missed by even Ralston. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

5 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

If all things are within the Matrix then all things are equal within the Matrix.  Sitting and staring at the wall or ingesting a pill are all still content within the Matrix.  This is missed by even Ralston. 

Yes. And it appears to be nothing can guarantee 'enlightenment' but various experiences can prompt a 'realization' into our true nature. It appears some 'things' (process, actions) within the matrix have more of a chance than others. But no 'thing' appears to be outside the ability to prompt the realization.

IE I could throw spaghetti at a wall and become enlightened. Might be a slim chance but... may be  

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[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Yes. And it appears to be nothing can guarantee 'enlightenment' but various experiences can prompt a 'realization' into our true nature. It appears some 'things' (process, actions) within the matrix have a more of a chance than others. But no 'thing' appears to be outside the ability to prompt the realization.

IE I could throw spaghetti at a wall and become enlightened. Might be a slim chance but... may be  

Exactly.  Haha are you Italian? Love the metaphor.  I wish spaghetti would have enlightened me!  😃

[Natasha Tori Maru]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Exactly.  Haha are you Italian? Love the metaphor.  I wish spaghetti would have enlightened me!  😃

No but I recently (on this forum and in real life) had conversations using the spaghetti metaphor

Maybe Leo can toss cooked spaghetti at actualizers in his retreat if psychedelics don't work!

For science!

[James123]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

That's just foolishness.  So then mediation is limited with mind?  Mediation is ego too?  If you were in the matrix and someone told you to break out you needed to use psychedelics or mediation would you refuse them because they are content within the matrix?  What if they worked to get you out of the Matrix?   You have to use the means within the Matrix to break you out of the Matrix.

If purpose of meditation is achievement, yes it belongs to ego. 

However, if it is letting go who is meditating that's going to break the mind.

such as letting go the one who has experience via psychedelics or letting go any experiences. Because, Truth can not be experienced. 

And experiences are limited with individual. 

Why do you think you didn't have any experience before physical birth? Because, Truth is beyond mind, body, universe, infinity, anything you can imagine or not imagine.

According to you there was no Truth before physical birth, because your truth is based on experience. 😊 

your God is delusion. If you don't now, you will realize when physical death comes. 

Don't worry. 

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[Inliytened1]

9 minutes ago, James123 said:

If purpose of meditation is achievement, yes it belongs to ego. 

However, if it is letting go who is meditating that's going to break the mind.

such as letting go the one who has experience via psychedelics too. Because, Truth can not be experienced. 

 

 

 

Exactly.  But I'll expand on that.  When i awakened it wasn't even about letting go or achievement it was from a place of complete spiritual ignorance and just a curiosity into what is like a child might wonder about a toy or the sky.  Nothing more.  Ignorance is bliss.   But spiritual knowledge could lead to the desire for achievement as you say - and therein you will be doomed to never discover Truth.  The same can be said for psychedelics as much as you may want to dispute that.  It is really no different than meditation.

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[Natasha Tori Maru]

8 minutes ago, James123 said:

If purpose of meditation is achievement, yes it belongs to ego. 

I would argue that is not meditation.