Should i stop being vegan ?

[Emerald]

15 hours ago, AION said:

If Steve Jobs couldn't pull a vegan diet with all of his money, resources and expertise, it is madness to think one can do it. He thought he was hacking his biology and telling everybody how well he was doing and at the end he died a horrible death. It is important to listen to your body and eat intuitively. I trained myself to allow myself to eat whatever I want as long as it is not processed, and preferable wholefood. You want to actually be able to pronounce the ingredients of what you are eating. Those vegan buns are terrible for your body. Another thing is that you have to eat according to your genetics. I'm Mediterranean so I go well very on fresh vegatables, meats, olive oil, and certain fats, fruits and carbs.

Nice to know that I could transition to a Vegan diet when I was working as a substitute teacher making $12 per hour... but Steve Jobs couldn't do it as a rich person.

Also, are you claiming that Steve Jobs died because of his Vegan diet? That's going to need a source.

And Vegan diets don't need to be processed. Just get tofu, lentils, beans, etc. and rice, oats, quinoa... and fruits and veggies with some nuts and seeds... and you're golden.

Processed Vegan meats are more like an occasional treat for those who enjoy them. And they're good for people who are transitioning from an omnivorous diet to a Vegan diet.

Also, the Mediterranean diet is mostly plant-based anyway with the addition of fish here and there. That's why it's the healthiest omnivorous diet because it minimizes red meat.

[Ramasta9]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

We're talking about one guy here just to be clear 😂

I've seen a pattern with a whole bunch of players on these forums who do not understand simple biology and reject / deny the clear facts placed in front of them. Even if you show proof and evidence they deny / reject it.

Most people in the world eat largely plant-based diets, and the longest-lived populations and (blue zones) around the world rely on mostly plants. If this isn't clear enough... but you know these knuckleheads...

 

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[AION]

1 hour ago, Emerald said:

Nice to know that I could transition to a Vegan diet when I was working as a substitute teacher making $12 per hour... but Steve Jobs couldn't do it as a rich person.

This is the mindset Jobs had to "look at me while I'm healthy". The thing is when you are young you can eat shit and still be ok. I knew this girl and she ate fastfood everyday, not working out and she looked like a super model. So if you were her you would say, I look like a super model because of my diet but diet is just one variable. You can only say that veganism has worked for you when you are at the same age of Steve Jobs death. I hope you life a long and happy life but it is too early to say that you reached the finish line.

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 And Vegan diets don't need to be processed. Just get tofu, lentils, beans, etc. and rice, oats, quinoa... and fruits and veggies with some nuts and seeds... and you're golden.

Those are good. Those foods are in my regular diet. The only thing I won't eat is tofu. For men it can cause all kinds of problems.

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Processed Vegan meats are more like an occasional treat for those who enjoy them. And they're good for people who are transitioning from an omnivorous diet to a Vegan diet.

Also, the Mediterranean diet is mostly plant-based anyway with the addition of fish here and there. That's why it's the healthiest omnivorous diet because it minimizes red meat.

I'm not eating vegan buns as a treat because that signals my current diet is a burden. I don't allow myself to eat any chemical stuff like tofu or vegan buns, period. If I want to treat myself I do it with a t-bone steak with asperagus in dairy butter with a nice big leafy green salad with avocado, olive oil etc. Some asians might be able to live off vegan diets but I'm not asian. I have a different build and if you listen to your body you know if your current diet is good for you or not. Mediterranean diet is perfect for me. It is not mostly vegan but there are a lot of vegan dishes and I love it. I always try to eat the 2 x the amount of fresh vegetables versus fresh meat.

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[Ramasta9]

 

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[Basman]

4 hours ago, Emerald said:

And ultimately, it doesn't matter what was "natural" in the past... it matters what is optimal for health. (if you're looking from a health perspective)

The issue is that people are deluding themselves into thinking that humans categorically aren't omnivores. You can do whatever in your personal life, but don't start making up shit.

4 hours ago, Emerald said:

And then in knowing that, we can question whether or not the way our teeth are shaped and the way our digestive tract is has anything to do with why Vegan diets are associated with better health outcomes.

You don't need sharp teeth to eat meat. People eat meat their entire lives just fine. Carnivores rarely chew their food as they swallow their food whole mostly. Sharp teeth isn't for chewing but for gripping flesh. Humans don't need sharp teeth because we hunt with our hands and we cook (and we also need to chew thoroughly).

This is what I mean by cope. It's so reaching.

Edited 4 hours ago by Basman