Letting go of control is always the right tactic, right? Or is there a catch...

[Malkom]

Let's break this down a bit. Many people preach the idea of letting go of control and you'll be happy and maybe even have peace, hahaha. That's true, in the grand scheme of things. But here's the problem. My friend always gets irritated with me because I'm spontaneous at times, while he, on the contrary, controls everything; everything is so precise and noble for him. I tell him, "Bro, let go of control, you're stressing yourself out." But I feel like I'm still imposing my opinion on him. I'm starting to contradict myself, a kind of self-delusion. I tried something a little different, simply accepting him and understanding why he does it. And here's what happened: I tried to control something myself, and you know what, it gives me peace, hahaha. When you have structure, you're calm, and you can actually let go of control more honestly, as it were. It's a paradox. But that's the reality.

Without going overboard, light control, when there's structure, a certain unique beauty combined with spontaneity, a balance that actually enhances presence. It's like in science. It might be complicated, but I'll try to explain it in simple terms. There's entropy, a measure of chaos. It would seem that entropy is the enemy. But in computer science, entropy isn't just disordered information, but a measure of novelty. When there's too much order in the information, it's like you're just pouring water. It's like legalese: it's low in entropy but high in order, making the legal text itself redundant, but at least everything is clear; it's redundant and lifeless. Entropy has a dual nature.

So, what's the conclusion? Control isn't bad, but balance is best, and cheerful chaos is always cool, ahahaha, although it does make it a little more lively.

P.S. I was recently caught using the gpt chat. Okay, if I feed him this text now, he won't say anything new, he'll just say, "Wow, that's really interesting," something like that. He can also simply structure it, which is generally quite good. And he can also analyze it, depending on the task you give him. So, the gpt chat is on hold for now, not this time. Now, if he actually said something new, and without straying from the topic, something groundbreaking, that would be a masterstroke, because God is always something new and interesting, like a flower growing, or, I don't know, something living is always new, and it's unmistakable. But that's apparently the prerogative of a strong artificial intelligence, which, as we know, we don't have. To communicate with him, you need to at least have your own database.

Another thing is that my translator...

Edited yesterday at 12:01 PM by Malkom

[Leo Gura]

No, that is a dangerous oversimplification. You give up control over a crucial thing and you will end up dead.

That's why control is a thing.

Edited 14 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Malkom]

@Leo Gura Then I'm for Absolute Domination  

Edited 23 hours ago by Malkom

[Someone here]

"You" don't control whether you control or surrender control . Because "who " would control or surrender control ? A thought? 

It's like asking "since I can't  afford buying a yacht..should I buy it or not ? "

It's just not inside your realm of capacity. 

But a more relative answer is you should balance between the two. Know when you ought to excute control and when you should let shit go.

[OBEler]

Reminds me of a fight club scene where you give up control while driving a car. It ended in an car accident.

If that's what you want then do that, lol.

[Malkom]

5 minutes ago, OBEler said:

Reminds me of a fight club scene where you give up control while driving a car. It ended in an car accident.

If that's what you want then do that, lol.

That moment in the movie was amazing. Do I want to do that myself? No, not this time.

[Malkom]

13 minutes ago, Someone here said:

"You" don't control whether you control or surrender control . Because "who " would control or surrender control ? A thought?

It's like asking "since I can't afford buying a yacht..should I buy it or not ? "

It's just not inside your realm of capacity.

But a more relative answer is you should balance between the two. Know when you ought to excute control and when you should let shit go.

from an epistemological point of view it is correct

[Leo Gura]

8 hours ago, OBEler said:

fight club scene where you give up control while driving a car. It ended in an car accident.

Bingo

[tuku747]

Give control over to your higher faculties 

[Terell Kirby]

Let’s not straw man the spiritual axiom of letting go of control and acceptance. We all have things we could do without 

Edited 14 hours ago by Terell Kirby

[Daniel Balan]

If you let go total control of your life you become homeless. Your girlfriend/boyfriend sees that you don't care about anything and leaves you for somebody else, your car drives of the road, your house  gets infested by rats and bugs etc. 
By all means assert more control over your life, be as dictatorial as possible with your life. Being a weak leaf being blown by the wind means you end up in disastrous life situations. 

Edited 13 hours ago by Daniel Balan

[ExploringReality]

The 48 laws of Power by Robert Greene is the antidote to being fucked over by power and control. It's like having kids, you are the parent you set the stage, don't let other people come in there and raise your kid. They will infest their minds and influence them with all sorts of toxic shit that they sucked up from culture and society. When you have children you better not give up control, and make sure that your power as a parent is being guided by higher consciousness, good nutrition, lifelong learning and being a conscious powerful parent

Edited 13 hours ago by ExploringReality

[OBEler]

@Daniel Balan yes but a hippie can't understand that. He lives in a phantasy where go with the flow and giving up control is something to be lived because it sounds so spiritual and he identifies as a spiritual person so he must somehow do that.

It always ends with losing all your money, your relationships and your sanity. I don't feel sorry for them.

 

[Sincerity]

No, letting go of control is not always the best tactic. As always, I will share my understanding from the energetic reality standpoint. And try to grasp this, because I honestly think that these point are quite deep and not usually understood.

To start: A "letting go of control" is a tactic, a philosophy, or a meta-energy, if you will. It's one decision you* can make about how you will approach the energetic reality** of you.

Note 1: Actually, it's not really "you" making the "decision". The letting go is an energy in itself, which is arising without your conscious input - even if it feels like it's "being done consciously by you".

Note 2: The energetic reality of you is all the energies/motivations that arise in the mind. For greater detail, I invite you to check out the "Basics of Energetic Reality" chapter in my following post:

There are more than two tactics/philosophies/meta-energies. It's NOT just letting go of control vs domination. I will give an example of a meta-energy I'm exercising currently and having great "results" with.

But coming back to letting go of control: In practice, how is the energetic reality playing out when you decide on this particular philosophy? The answer is: the most intense energy now is being allowed and acted upon. NOT necessarily the currently highest - the most intense. Even when you consciously are in a light state due to the letting go, the energetic reality under the surface is playing out and your might start to do things that aren't necessarily good. For example, a letting go of control energy could allow you to return to your past addictions. Once you are suddenly reminded of an addiction and you feel a surge of great craving (which is an energy, more so a lower one), the letting go philosophy would guide you to just "go with the flow" and act on it.

Is coming back to an addiction necessarily bad? Well, no. But you will probably suffer. You might wonder what you are doing wrong. And maybe the lesson from all this would be to then change your tactic/meta-energy. After all, there could be a better one!

I'll just briefly say here that I'm speaking from experience. I had the "letting go of control" phase and I was convinced that that should be the superior philosophy. So fucking enlightened and all! But no, not necessarily. And only recently did I really get its pitfall.

The "letting go of control" meta-energy has its specific time and place. When? -> When you're being directly guided by someone trustworthy, or when your mind is deeply purified and your energies/inner-guidance are already trustworthy themselves. I think the latter case is possible but takes a lot of purifying work. Also, I think letting go of control is good when you just don’t care about what happens, or when you want to relax and get the feeling of receiving from the world, playing, opening up. Examples of good times to apply the letting go tactic:

• For a woman: when her man is taking her for a surprise trip. He knows what she loves, and she knows that he knows.
• A disciple wanting to awaken, under the guidance of a clearly awake master.
• In general, when you want to learn from someone you consider wiser, you should let go of control and really "open up" for that period, so that the wisdom is absorbed by the mind and the thoughts run freely.
• Relaxing, walking in nature, dancing, playing in a non-reckless way, etc.

Here's a good insight. Different circumstances should elicit different tactics in you. THIS is intelligent. There is a time and space for letting go, but it's NOT the most optimal solution for all circumstances arising.

So, to end this, a potentially better meta-energy. Following your highest energy in the moment. This requires having an everyday awareness of the energetic reality you; seeing and understanding the energies than run through your mind, moment to moment. Here's how this looks:

• In a given moment, when you're not already in some kind of flow and you don't know what to do, think about the options you have in terms of what you could do. Notice which option feels like the highest exciting thing you could act upon - WITHIN YOUR DEGREE OF ABILITY IN THAT MOMENT. And then act on that, until the focus on that particular thing is depleted. Then, find the next highest available option to you.
• This isn't about being Jesus all the time. Your highest exciting energy in the moment depends on the current state and energetic development you are in. When you're sick, your highest energy will be different from an energy you'd have available if at your peak mental condition.
• In a sense, it's about doing YOUR current best. But notice: this is NOT a neurotic attempt to dominate and focus on an energy which you THINK would be best for you right now. This is about being conscious of what's REAL in the energetic world right now. What is TRULY the highest thing that excites you right now and that you have the ability to perform? Become aware of it, and then act on that.

After I arrived at this meta-energy, I realized this is aligned with Bashar's teaching of "Follow Your Highest Excitement". I think it's similar or even the same lol. So if anyone is a fan of Bashar, this should resonate.

Anyway, I hope this is useful. Let me know if I can clarify anything. Peace ✌️

Edited 11 hours ago by Sincerity

[Malkom]

30 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

If you let go total control of your life you become homeless. Your girlfriend/boyfriend sees that you don't care about anything and leaves you for somebody else, your car drives of the road, your house gets infested by rats and bugs etc.
l means assert more control over your life, be as dictatorial as possible with your life. Being a weak leaf being blown by the wind means you end up in disastrous life situations.

It sounds masculine and powerful. I love power, supremacy, rule, influence, domination . Finally, someone like me, because spirituality has become an exclusively feminine trait. 

[Daniel Balan]

12 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@Daniel Balan yes but a hippie can't understand that. He lives in a phantasy where go with the flow and giving up control is something to be lived because it sounds so spiritual and he identifies as a spiritual person so he must somehow do that.

It always ends with losing all your money, your relationships and your sanity. I don't feel sorry for them.

 

I live by this principle: I am as dictatorial, as ruthless as possible when it comes about controlling my life and what I do with my time. 

But on the other hand I am as liberal, as non-controlling when it comes to others. I'm not gonna tell my friends, my family, my girlfriend what to do with their life, I'm as non-intrusive as possible. But when it comes to my life, I am grabbing the bull by the horns big time, I'm almost tyrannical. 

[Malkom]

15 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@Daniel Balan yes but a hippie can't understand that. He lives in a phantasy where go with the flow and giving up control is something to be lived because it sounds so spiritual and he identifies as a spiritual person so he must somehow do that.

It always ends with losing all your money, your relationships and your sanity. I don't feel sorry for them.

 

Being a hippie isn't my thing. No, absolutely not. And I love to bring my fantasies to life and don't like things to wait. Only here and now. Determination and willpower, swiftness. 

[Daniel Balan]

10 minutes ago, Malkom said:

It sounds masculine and powerful. I love power, supremacy, rule, influence, domination . Finally, someone like me, because spirituality has become an exclusively feminine trait. 

I hate the words masculine and powerful. You shouldn't try to be a "Man", you should try to be a person that is capable to handle survival and be decisive. Also a person that respects himself and doesn't allow himself to be a pushover. If you let go of all control life will transform you in a pushover homeless. I cringe whenever someone uses the word masculine. I'm actually a very feminine man, I sometimes cry when I feel sad or I express my insecurities and fears to my girlfriend without regret. HOWEVER, when it is time to do something, to be decisive about something I am dictatorial about my life. I control tyranically everything that has to with my personal survival. I won't control what friends my girlfriend has or what she wears, but I will control the face of somebody than wants to harm her. I won't be this passive hippie if someone wants to rob me or my girl. I will control that MF's teeth. 

Edited 12 hours ago by Daniel Balan

[Malkom]

5 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

I hate the words masculine and powerful. I'm actually a very feminine man, I sometimes cry when I feel sad or I express my insecurities and fears to my girlfriend without regret. HOWEVER, when it is time to do something, to be decisive about something I am dictatorial about my life. I control tyranicallt everything that has to with my personal survival. I won't control what friends my girlfriend has or what she wears, but I will control the face of somebody than wants to harm her. I won't be this passive hippie if someone wants to rob me or my girl. I will control that MF's teeth.

But it's normal that you're crying; it's all natural, it's who you are, how your life manifests. In fact, vulnerability and openness have much more power here. As for just masculinity, I don't know, but it can even become a bit cringe-worthy, well, it's even funny sometimes.

[Malkom]

22 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

No, letting go of control is not always the best tactic. As always, I will share my understanding from the energetic reality standpoint. And try to grasp this, because I honestly think that these point are quite deep and not usually understood.

To start: A "letting go of control" is a tactic, a philosophy, or a meta-energy, if you will. It's one decision you can make about how you will approach the energetic reality of you.

Note 1: actually it's not really "you" making the "decision" - the letting go is an energy in itself, which is arising without your conscious input (even if it feels like it's "being done consciously by you")

Note 2: the energetic reality of you is all the energies/motivations that arise in the mind. For greater details, I invite you to check out the "Basics of Energetic Reality" chapter in my following post:

There are more than two tactics/philosophies/meta-energies. It's NOT just letting go of control vs domination. l give an example of a meta-energy I'm exercising currently and having great "results" with.

But coming back to letting go of control: In practice, how is the energetic reality playing out when you decide on this particular philosophy? The answer is: the most intense energy now is being allowed and acted upon. NOT necessarily the currently highest - the most intense. Even when you consciously are in a light state due to the letting go, the energetic reality under the surface is playing out and your might start to do things that aren't necessarily good. For example, a letting go of control energy could allow you to return to your past addictions. Once you are suddenly reminded of an addiction and you feel a surge of great craving (which is an energy, more so a lower one), the letting go philosophy would guide you to just "go with the flow" and act on it.

Is coming back to an addiction necessarily bad? Well, no. But you will probably suffer. You might wonder what you are doing wrong. And maybe the lesson from all this would be to then change your tactic/meta-energy. After all, there could be a better one!

I'll just briefly say here that I'm speaking from experience. I had the "letting go of control" phase and I was convinced that that should be the superior philosophy. So fucking enlightened and all! But no, not necessarily. And only recently did I really get its pitfall.

The "letting go of control" meta-energy has its specific time and place. When? -> When you're being directly guided by someone trustworthy. Or, when your mind is deeply purified and your energies/inner-guidance are already trustworthy themselves. In that latter case, I think it's possible but it takes a lot of purifying work. Examples of good times to apply the letting go philosophy:

• For a woman: when her man is taking her for a surprise trip. He knows what she loves, and she knows that he knows.
• A disciple wanting to awaken, under the guidance of a clearly awake master.
• In general, when you want to learn from someone you consider wiser, you should let go of control and really "open up" for that period, so that the wisdom is absorbed by the mind and the thoughts run freely.
• Etc.

Here's a good insight. Different circumstances should elicit different tactics in you. is intelligent. There is a time and space for letting go, but it's NOT the most optimal solution for all circumstances arising.

So, to end this, a potentially better meta-energy. Following your highest energy in the moment. This requires having an everyday awareness of the energetic reality you; seeing and understanding the energies than run through your mind, moment to moment. Here's how this looks:

• In a given moment, when you're not already in some kind of flow and you don't know what to do, think about the options you have in terms of what you could do. Notice which option feels like the highest exciting thing you could act upon - WITHIN YOUR DEGREE OF ABILITY IN THAT MOMENT. And then act on that, until the focus on that particular thing is depleted. Then, find the next highest available option to you.
• This isn't about being Jesus all the time. Your highest exciting energy in the moment depends on the current state and energetic development you are in. When you're sick, your highest energy will be different from an energy you'd have available if at your peak mental condition.
• In a sense, it's about doing YOUR current best. But notice: this is NOT a neurotic attempt to dominate and focus on an energy which you THINK would be best for you right now. This is about being conscious of what's REAL in the energetic world right now. What is TRULY the highest thing that excites you right now and that you have the ability to perform? Become aware of it, and then act on that.

After I arrived at this meta-energy, I realized this is aligned with Bashar's teaching of "Follow Your Highest Excitement". I think it's similar or even the same lol. So if anyone is a fan of Bashar, this should resonate.

Anyway, I hope this is useful. Let me know if I can clarify anything. Peace ✌️

Thanks for your participation. I think I'll go to bed for now, I just... popped into the forum. I just went to the bathroom and decided to pop in, wondering how they're doing without me